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image $4000+ with over 5 days to go.

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  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,306 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>most owners of these sets are planning to hang onto these for the long term >>

    At that price, I sure hope so.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I guess the NGC multi coin marketing strategy is working. Take coins that are worth, what … a grand on a very good day … put them in a three hole slab and quadruple your money at least so far.

    AND it could go higher. image
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • just a hypothetical ?

    Couldnt ya find aa nice undervalued raritie today for about the same money that would double over the next 10 yrs as opposed to this modern crap that will never be rare ?
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  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    Bill I think you and I are getting to old for this insanity. image Let's sit on the porch, sip whiskey and argue politics, makes more sense to me.image
  • morganbarbermorganbarber Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭
    The seller says it himself. "These coins are red hot."



    What happens when they cool off?
    I collect circulated U.S. silver
  • NO WAY............Us Sackie collectors are gonna butcher them cow coins..............image
    ......Larry........image
  • BurksBurks Posts: 1,103
    World's most expensive corn leaf.
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  • Over $4,000 for what anyone else would consider to be 75 cents worth of coins?? Damn, I need to go through my change more carefully....image
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  • Mike,

    would that be Jamesons ?
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,710 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Bill I think you and I are getting to old for this insanity. image Let's sit on the porch, sip whiskey and argue politics, makes more sense to me.image >>



    LOL


    that is almost as funny as the price on this auction. I think the bidders found your whiskey image
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Man, that auction is insane. I sold an NGC multiholder MS67 set for $721 in October of last year.

    Russ, NCNE
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    PS: OOPS. I just checked and the set I sold was a two piecer with the Low Leaf. Sold a three piece MS66 in the same auction group at $645, though.

    Russ, NCNE
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    Imagine if someone makes a set in 68 image
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777
    I've always been aware that coin collectors are crazy, but sometimes I'm a little surprised at how deep that rabbit hole runs......
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    When the demand drys up ,or the coin market

    turns down, it will be interesting to see what

    such a set sells for, if it sells at all.
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  • Didn't the first few (when discovered) sell for ~1,000 USD?

    ...You have to admit...it is a nice set.

    ~g image
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,710 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>PS: OOPS. I just checked and the set I sold was a two piecer with the Low Leaf. Sold a three piece MS66 in the same auction group at $645, though.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Russ, I sold an MS66 Low leaf in PCGS slab for 867 last year, but honestly.... do you think this is a case where someone is bidding PCGS price guide on NGC's grading system and do you think they would cross over ? Not just Russ, but any of you. Would these cross to PCGS ?
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There is not way to tell without seeing the coins, but given that they are modern, and PCGS pretty well controls the market for high grade modern stuff, my answer would be no. It probably would not cross.

    I think the three hole slab has something to do with this. It probably has something to do with their registry. I don't pay any attention to those parts of their registry. To me a three hole slab is trouble because you have to find a collector who wants all three coins in order to sell it.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • PushkinPushkin Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Imagine if someone makes a set in 68 >>


    Below from Rick Sniow's Eagle Eye Rare Coins web site.

    NGC MS-68 set sells for $10,000. In late July Eagle Eye sold it sole MS-68 set of three Wisconsin Quarter Extra Leaf Varities. This is believed to be a record for an Extra Leaf Quarter set.

    Link


    I was skepticle of there coins from the beginning and didn't trust all the hype, but I bougth a bunch for the heck of it. I still have a low leaf in 67, some low leafs is 66 and High leafs in 65. I'm glad I've held on to them and wish I hadn't sold a few a while back.

    They are neat coins.
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,306 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>if it sells at all. >>

    bingo!
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,860 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ten years down the road it will be interesting to see if there is any interest in these varieties.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • Yeesh if I had $4000 I know what I would buy... a nice specimen of an 1896-s Barber quarter... not modern crap that's only worth money because the slab has a high number on it. image
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 29,035 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>just a hypothetical ?

    Couldnt ya find aa nice undervalued raritie today for about the same money that would double over the next 10 yrs as opposed to this modern crap that will never be rare ? >>




    I could probably think of hundreds of good reasons not to collect old US coins but then
    buying any collectible for its investment potential is a very high risk endeavor. Whatever
    you think of modern crap the simple fact is that you can still buy it cheaper than comparably
    rare classics.

    It would seem that if something is going up despite a nearly universal knee-jerk reaction
    that it's just crap, then those with the twitchy knees might need to reexamine their assumptions.
    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    To me this set would be worth about 75 cents.image
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 17,054 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The pop 1/0 PCGS-MS67 is now in the Price Guide at $7,500 (a coin I have in my 1932-date Wash Quarter Variety collection). Assuming those (2) NGC-MS68 coins from the NGC-MS68 set would cross to PCGS-MS67's - you would have a set now priced well over the $10,000 it sold for as NGC-MS68's IMHO. Obviously, they would be a heck of a lot more if they were MS68 quality in both PCGS and NGC holders.

    But, I tend to agree with the critics who suggest these coins are overpriced at these levels - for example - an exceedingly rare 1943(p) DOUBLED DIE WASHINGTON QUARTER in Choice BU (one of just a few coins known to exist in Mint State) trades for roughly the same level as a finest known WI error quarter. One coin is 62 years old now while the other is just about 62 weeks old. On the other hand, one coin is in great demand, while the other, unfortunately, is not. Just my 2 cents.

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,302 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin collectors are absolutely insane

    What was your first clue? image
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nothing in numismatics surprises me any more.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,710 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Coin collectors are absolutely insane

    What was your first clue? image >>




    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
  • ChangeInHistoryChangeInHistory Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Coin collectors are absolutely insane

    What was your first clue? image >>



    Exactly! It's kind of like reminding us the sunsets in the west! We all spend $ on some odd numismatic things, but there are lots of other things I would spend $4000 on. Of course, many of us felt the same way when 1999 Silver proof sets were hitting $200!image
  • anybody wanna sell me all the PCGS 57 Linkys in 68 CAM at guide ?

    feel free to PM me !
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  • ArtistArtist Posts: 2,013 ✭✭✭
    I don't collect moderns, and I don't collect errors, but I do very much see the value of these varieties. These extra leaves have just as much mystique (or more) as fabled issues like the '37-D 3 Legged, and the '55DDO - and like those coins, they are part of a popular series that will be collected for years to come. The same way many around here found the hobby via Blue Whitman folders of Lincolns and Buffalos, I think the next generation of numismatics will have the 50SQ program to thank - and so long as these are the bonafide keys, they stand to remain ever popular.



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    << <i>Coin collectors are absolutely insane

    What was your first clue? image >>

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    and I have the papers to prove it, too......................image
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  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    Artist I am not making fun of the coin, but the price and when I was a kid you could pick up a nice 55DD0 very cheaply. I think many long time collectors would cringe at comparing the two, but that is what makes this hobby fun, we all have different tastes and wallet sizes and amounts of functioning gray matter. image
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Coin collectors are absolutely insane

    What was your first clue? image >>



    When I saw someone pay $4.18 million for a nickel minted less than one hundred years ago. image
  • FullStrikeFullStrike Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭
    All this can only inspire a few US Mint employees to create even more varieties.

    Reminds me of "chase cards" in the sports card marketing plan.
  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    Maybe I am insane, but i've seen a lot worse and I actually thought about buying some of the at one time------------BigE
    I'm glad I am a Tree
  • PushkinPushkin Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭

    The Washington Quarters series is probably the most widely collected series in numismatic history. Sure, that includes thousands of kids and adults who are collecting casually and only for fun. However, the "leafs" are the first rarity, the first true examples of keys for the series. If only a fraction of the quarter collectors take collecting a full set seriously the "leafs" should be under significant pricing pressure for years to come. With the estimates of only a few thousand or even a few tens of thousand available, they are just scarce enough to be affordable, but not so rare as to be beyond the reach of most collectors. Whatever folks think of moderns (I don't particularly like them) the reality is that the market is going to drive these particular coins for a long time. The publicity has not stopped. I thought interest in them would go pretty much to zero by now and the opposite has happened. Trash them all you want, the TPGs have taken them seriously, the public is takling them seriously, and I only wish I owned more. I don't like "modern crap"; never have liked it, however these leafs are the exception.
  • coinnut86coinnut86 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭
    It's between washies and Lincolns image
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  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    Sometimes you feel like the "point" is zooming off into space. I collect moderns too, but I wouldn't pay $2000 bucks for a 2000 something quarter regardless of the intentional or unintentional error caused by a mint employee. To me that falls outside of my collecting horizon and obviously I am not the only person that thinks that way. It's not silver, its not copper, its not gold and its uninspiring to look at the design, so why in heavens name pay that kind of money for it. I believe that is a legitimate question. We don't even know yet how rare these things are.

    Folks bought pet rocks, hula hoops, pez dispensers and I understand the marketing and herd mentality of that. I just ain't one of those folks that walks around with a rock in his pocket, gyrating a hula hoop while sucking on pez. image
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,302 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just ain't one of those folks that walks around with a rock in his pocket, gyrating a hula hoop while sucking on pez.

    I understand. Smoe people prefer lollypops. image
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 29,035 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Sometimes you feel like the "point" is zooming off into space. I collect moderns too, but I wouldn't pay $2000 bucks for a 2000 something quarter regardless of the intentional or unintentional error caused by a mint employee. To me that falls outside of my collecting horizon and obviously I am not the only person that thinks that way. It's not silver, its not copper, its not gold and its uninspiring to look at the design, so why in heavens name pay that kind of money for it. I believe that is a legitimate question. We don't even know yet how rare these things are.

    Folks bought pet rocks, hula hoops, pez dispensers and I understand the marketing and herd mentality of that. I just ain't one of those folks that walks around with a rock in his pocket, gyrating a hula hoop while sucking on pez. image >>



    So what would a Morgan dollar sell for with about 4,500 coins surviving. Then consider
    what one of the finest of these would sell for.

    While there's still some chance that more will be found, it's unlikely that more than 5%
    are still in storage and it would hardly be surprising if most of these have been spot checked
    for these varieties. Every day that goes by reduces the chance that more will be found.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and the millions of collectors do not see these as un-
    inspiring designs. Of course the metallic value has very little bearing on the value of nu-
    mismatic coins. Just as an 1873 2c piece can be desirable so too can a 2004 quarter.
    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
  • PushkinPushkin Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭
    I think the 2004 Wisconsins are one of the few attractive State Quarter designs. The cow, probably a Holstein, shows more beauty than most collectors I've seen at coin shows and looks a lot more emotionally stable (just my opinionimage. The cheese already has my appetite going, with a little red wine of course. The corn looks as good as any you'll see on a Liberty Nickel and the detail is better. A truly wholseome design and a great motif for the state combined with a neat error.

    Oh well, maybe it's just the memories of the farm boy in me remembering the good old days cleaning up cow manure and lugging milk cans around that gets the blood pumping for this "key". $4000 or $5000 for a set in MS-67, why not? Still a better deal, IMO, than some MS-66* monster Peace dollars that are floating (the color anyway) around.

    Edited to add: Would prefer owning one of the leafs than a widget Morgan; millions of them everywhere. image
  • FullStrikeFullStrike Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭
    I'll take a corn leaf Quarter anyday over a Dale Earnhardt Quarter. Just don't ask me to pay $1000 for it. image

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