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Another Southern Branch Mint Gold Guess the Grade 1855-C $1 - Grade Revealed at end of thread

What say ye? And please feel free to comment on why it deserves your grade.

It resides in a PCGS holder.


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    clw54clw54 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭
    VG8?

    Geez, I dunno.

    Edited to add: Is that one doubled? image
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    I would have to say VG-8 on that one.
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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would send it for downgrade review. image
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    clw54clw54 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would have to say VG-8 on that one. >>


    You're wrong. image
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    Seems that coin strike is tilted axially on the center with weak and firm strikes on both sides. Answer = Ave. VF20. Did the mint tilt the dies when struck? One side thinner than the other?
    Its a foul ball by a fair margin.
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    cmanbbcmanbb Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good 6?

    Uneducated guess FM
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    CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,654 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I thought VG8 at first, but considering a lot of these are weakly struck to begin with, maybe F12?

    Low grade, rare date gold has quite a certain charm to it, IMHO.
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    ms70ms70 Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭✭
    20
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    MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,192 ✭✭✭✭
    Weak strike, grade F-15...Mike
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    I bought this coin about 2 months ago and returned it when I received it. The reverse is VF but the obverse is way overgraded.image
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    michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭
    fine 12 minus
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    HTubbsHTubbs Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭
    VG-10,nice!image
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    Originally I was going to say G6 as the rim is defined and I know little about grading this series. Now that I've read all of the comments I'm baffled.
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    NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
    At first I thought VG8 but having just learned these were weakly struck I would say F12.
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    TheRavenTheRaven Posts: 4,169 ✭✭✭✭
    I will say VF.....

    Talk about a weak strike.....
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    LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    vg8
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,551 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VF20 The 1855 C gold dollar is one of the most poorly made coins in US mint history.






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    TorinoCobra71TorinoCobra71 Posts: 8,102 ✭✭✭
    g-6

    TC71

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VG8.
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    fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    F12??
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,551 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is one of those coins graded by the reverse since the obverse is so poorly struck. The reverse is clearly VF detail.










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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VF20 The 1855 C gold dollar is one of the most poorly made coins in US mint history.

    I have no problem with that grade--except that when I usually see (or submit) a Dahlonega or Carson City coin that is known to be poorly struck graded by PCGS, it is graded against a Philly coin, while this one is clearly graded against like coins. Inconsistent!
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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Either way, when someone buys the coin, they will grade it themselves and pay for it as such. No way the coin sells for strong VF-20 money or even strong F-12 money. at least not to a knowledgeable buyer. If the coin were a 55-D, I would not pay more than $2000-3000 for it--if I bought it all.
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    CharlotteDudeCharlotteDude Posts: 3,297 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm gonna say VG-10 Obverse... (weak F12 wear, but net-graded due to scratch on headband) and VF-20 Reverse...

    Due to the 55-C's notoriously weak strike, crappy planchets and general lackluster workmanship at the mint, I would grade it F-15 overall.

    BUT,

    Due to today's grading trends....

    It's a PCGS VF-20 or an NGC VF-30 anyday. image
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    FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977
    My thoughts echo both RYK and CharlotteDude. In a pm earlier I stated that the coin deserves to be in a F12 slab, and it wouldn't be out of the question to be maxed out to a F15. Many here consider that to be way too high, but the strike characteristics of the date should be considered.

    However, PCGS managed to grade this coin VF20 which to me seems a gift. But this may be considered within the subjective variances of grading. However my concern is that all too often PCGS doesn't correctly consider strike characteristics of the date when grading southern gold. This contributes to the gross inconsistencies in PCGS grades for southern gold. This coin could have just as easily been graded by the grader of the day as a VG8. And that range of VG8 to VF20 seems too great when sometimes big time money is on the line.

    Of course I share my opinion with the disclaimer that this evalutation is from an image, and images don't always tell the complete story. Thanks for your comments.

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    clw54clw54 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭
    Note to self: Stop undergrading Fatman's coins.
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    FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977


    << <i>Note to self: Stop undergrading Fatman's coins. >>

    Not my coin.
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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,430 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This one may look better in person... I understand the issues with the date.

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