Grade the raw Draped Bust half....please

fivecents · January 24, 2006 8:05AM

I know it was cleaned in the past. I have my grade opinion, but could use a few 2nd opinions from fellow board members. Thanks.

nwcs · January 24, 2006 8:08AM

VF

Cladiator · January 24, 2006 8:08AM

yummy

Dave99B · January 24, 2006 8:09AM

F18.5

Dave

ER · January 24, 2006 8:11AM

No experience with DBH, so totally WAG.
Looks like weak strike with very little wear on forehead, top of head on obverse, and top of eagle's left wing on reverse. The rim ding on obverse 11 o'clock is minor.
I'd say AU53.

Cladiator · January 24, 2006 8:13AM

<< <i>The rim ding on obverse 11 o'clock is minor. >>

10 to 1 says that's not a rim ding and was caused by the machine that put on the lettered edge.

BigD5 · January 24, 2006 8:19AM

Solid xf details.

Most of the hair detail is there, only lacking from the forehead to ear. The drapery at the bust looks sharp.

On the reverse you have sharp shield detail and ample feather details as well.

TomB · January 24, 2006 8:26AM

I'd like to buy raw coins from those who think this coin is F18.5! The 1807 is on average perhaps the worst struck Draped Bust half in the entire DB series. I also agree that what appear to be rim bruises might actually be remnants of the Castaing machine, the machine that imparted the lettered edge to these coins. Grading simply by the pair of images presented I would have to go at least EF45 and even AU50.

mozin · January 24, 2006 8:29AM

AU50 details

OnlyBuffalos · January 24, 2006 8:31AM

PCGS has a different standard for grading draped busts but I believe they are more consistent than other TPGs on these.

PCGS grade: VF35 if not body bagged.

Others: at least XF40.

ziggy29 · January 24, 2006 8:32AM

These early Busties are hard to grade because the strike varies so much from one part of the coin to another...

Best guess, EF-40 or 45 details, net VF-30.

Cladiator · January 24, 2006 8:33AM

I'd be very interested in hearing what Nysoto says about this one...

Tassa · January 24, 2006 8:41AM

Based on that photo, I'd call it a net VF.

Sunnywood · January 24, 2006 9:06AM

The details are at least XF. As for surfaces/cleaning, can't tell from a pic. If you're lucky, that looks like some original luster in the protected areas. To get the right details grade and net grade (if applicable) would have to see it up close & personal !! But definitely XF details.

Sunnywood

MikeInFL · January 24, 2006 9:26AM

XF details, cleaned, net VF 30...Mike

Baley · January 24, 2006 9:50AM

Yep, EF or better details, appears to net at least VF30 if not higher

fivecents · January 24, 2006 7:22PM

Wow, The grade opinions are all over the board on this coin.

ttt for the AM crowd.

slumlord98 · January 24, 2006 8:50PM

I'd call it a 40, and it isn't obvious to me that it has been cleaned; it actually appears from the image to have a nice skin. O.105, I believe from the dot between STATES and OF.

For those grading this in the F-VF range, can you send me some?

LanLord · January 24, 2006 10:15PM

Count me in with the strong XF - to AU50 crowd.

That's a beauty.

I have a PCGS certified 1807 in vf20 with no where near that amount of meat left on it.

That's a really nice coin, I'd be proud of it in my type set.

busco69 · January 24, 2006 10:31PM

EF40 all the way.

DIMEMAN · January 24, 2006 10:35PM

Au55. Like someone else said I would love to buy coins like this for fine and vf money.

Nysoto · January 24, 2006 11:02PM

I will join the XF crowd, this die marriage in early to mid die state can be fairly well struck and AU's should have more sharpness, the coin is similar in details to my XF40 105. This is the most common of the 1807 draped bust halves, now an R.1 rarity. The late state O.105a seems more common than the R.4 Overton rating, probably R.3.

fivecents · January 25, 2006 8:35PM

I had the coin graded as inbetween XF45 and AU50. Net grade XF40. I will be selling it as an XF40.

Grade the raw Draped Bust half....please

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