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Grade the raw Draped Bust half....please

fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
I know it was cleaned in the past. I have my grade opinion, but could use a few 2nd opinions from fellow board members. Thanks.
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    nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
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    CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,354 ✭✭✭✭✭
    yummy image
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    Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,961 ✭✭✭✭✭
    F18.5

    Dave
    Always looking for original, better date VF20-VF35 Barber quarters and halves, and a quality beer.
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    ERER Posts: 7,345 ✭
    No experience with DBH, so totally WAG.
    Looks like weak strike with very little wear on forehead, top of head on obverse, and top of eagle's left wing on reverse. The rim ding on obverse 11 o'clock is minor.
    I'd say AU53.
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    CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,354 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The rim ding on obverse 11 o'clock is minor. >>

    10 to 1 says that's not a rim ding and was caused by the machine that put on the lettered edge.
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    BigD5BigD5 Posts: 3,433 ✭
    Solid xf details.

    Most of the hair detail is there, only lacking from the forehead to ear. The drapery at the bust looks sharp.

    On the reverse you have sharp shield detail and ample feather details as well.
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    TomBTomB Posts: 23,324 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd like to buy raw coins from those who think this coin is F18.5! The 1807 is on average perhaps the worst struck Draped Bust half in the entire DB series. I also agree that what appear to be rim bruises might actually be remnants of the Castaing machine, the machine that imparted the lettered edge to these coins. Grading simply by the pair of images presented I would have to go at least EF45 and even AU50.
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    mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    AU50 details
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
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    PCGS has a different standard for grading draped busts but I believe they are more consistent than other TPGs on these.

    PCGS grade: VF35 if not body bagged.

    Others: at least XF40.
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    ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭
    These early Busties are hard to grade because the strike varies so much from one part of the coin to another...

    Best guess, EF-40 or 45 details, net VF-30.
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    CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,354 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd be very interested in hearing what Nysoto says about this one...
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    TassaTassa Posts: 2,373 ✭✭
    Based on that photo, I'd call it a net VF.
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    The details are at least XF. As for surfaces/cleaning, can't tell from a pic. If you're lucky, that looks like some original luster in the protected areas. To get the right details grade and net grade (if applicable) would have to see it up close & personal !! But definitely XF details.

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    MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,192 ✭✭✭✭
    XF details, cleaned, net VF 30...Mike
    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yep, EF or better details, appears to net at least VF30 if not higher

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    fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow, The grade opinions are all over the board on this coin.image

    ttt for the AM crowd.
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    I'd call it a 40, and it isn't obvious to me that it has been cleaned; it actually appears from the image to have a nice skin. O.105, I believe from the dot between STATES and OF.

    For those grading this in the F-VF range, can you send me some?
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    LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,756 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Count me in with the strong XF - to AU50 crowd.

    That's a beauty.

    I have a PCGS certified 1807 in vf20 with no where near that amount of meat left on it.

    That's a really nice coin, I'd be proud of it in my type set.
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    busco69busco69 Posts: 815 ✭✭
    EF40 all the way.
    ''Coin collecting is the only hobby where you can spend all your money and still have some left''
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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Au55. Like someone else said I would love to buy coins like this for fine and vf money.
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    NysotoNysoto Posts: 3,833 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I will join the XF crowd, this die marriage in early to mid die state can be fairly well struck and AU's should have more sharpness, the coin is similar in details to my XF40 105. This is the most common of the 1807 draped bust halves, now an R.1 rarity. The late state O.105a seems more common than the R.4 Overton rating, probably R.3.
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    fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I had the coin graded as inbetween XF45 and AU50. Net grade XF40. I will be selling it as an XF40.

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