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NGC holder.

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  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 20,152 ✭✭✭✭✭
    64 bn
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    65BN. Nice example of the woodgrain effect that many early S-mint cents exhibit.
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,338 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No idea about the grade but I like it. Wearing a bit of war paint looks like.
  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    64 BN. Looks weak?
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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
    64 BN
  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,192 ✭✭✭✭
    MS 64 BN
    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • RollermanRollerman Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS64 RB?
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  • weresteveweresteve Posts: 1,224 ✭


    << <i>NGC holder >>



    body bagged at PCGS eh?
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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    65RB
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    a excellent image... exceptional detail in the flow of metal on the fields....
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
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  • JcarneyJcarney Posts: 3,154 ✭
    65RB
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  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    65 rb, this date is usually not struck as nicely as earlier dates. The top three feathers are rarely if ever completely struck.
  • MikeJessie1MikeJessie1 Posts: 374
    Russview, huh? pretty cool Russ!image
    How much for that one
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,789 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd go 65RB as well.
    I was going to say 66 but I think the small spots on the obverse, between feathers 3-4 and 4-5 and under the F of OF, as well as the RB designation keep it at 65.

    I love the coin but not the wood grain look as much....I haven't cultured to that part of early toned copper yet.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • JDelageJDelage Posts: 724 ✭✭
    What does RB or BN means?
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  • JcarneyJcarney Posts: 3,154 ✭
    R = Red
    RB = Red/Brown
    B = Brown

    Color designations for copper
    “When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” — Benjamin Franklin


    My icon IS my coin. It is a gem 1949 FBL Franklin.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,994 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>NGC holder >>



    body bagged at PCGS eh? >>

    image

    Now that's funny steve... not nice, but funny.

    Either holder this is a strong MS63RB but 64 is pushing it. It has very nice strike detail on the reverse with enough toning to show what appear to be die polish lines..... the obverse seems a bit softer with a weak strike and a little more porosity than normal. Could be my eyes, or my brain... but for sure, it's my opinion.

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  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    MS-65RB, way too much red for a brown.

    Classic woodgrain toning.

    Tom
    Tom

  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,656 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PCGS 64RB, NGC 65RB.
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • BigMooseBigMoose Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭
    65 RD
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  • Coinhusker1Coinhusker1 Posts: 3,560 ✭
    64 RB
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't see any RD on this image. If it's in an NGC holder, I'd say 6 BN; they are usually looser on IHCs than PCGS.
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  • JDelageJDelage Posts: 724 ✭✭


    << <i>R = Red
    RB = Red/Brown
    B = Brown

    Color designations for copper >>


    Thanks. What's more valued?
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Thanks. What's more valued? >>



    Assuming it's not a colorful toner - which get graded RB or BN - Red is more valued, usually by a wide margin.

    Russ, NCNE
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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,815 ✭✭✭✭✭
    65RB, I don't understand how some of the responses consider that coin to be brown.


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  • JcarneyJcarney Posts: 3,154 ✭


    << <i>65RB, I don't understand how some of the responses consider that coin to be brown. >>



    Differences in monitors, probably. I was shocked at the difference of the monitor I bought for my son this Christmas compared to my old Sony Trinitron.
    “When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” — Benjamin Franklin


    My icon IS my coin. It is a gem 1949 FBL Franklin.
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll guess 64RB but could be higher.

    Probably not lower, IMO

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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Differences in monitors, probably. I was shocked at the difference of the monitor I bought for my son this Christmas compared to my old Sony Trinitron. >>



    Excellent point. I have several monitors around here of varying age and quality, and the difference in the way each renders images is amazing.

    Russ, NCNE
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  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    I always get these wrong so lets keep the streak going.

    The 1st 3 feathers are actually well struck for an 08-S, and these always get graded on
    a curve so it looks 65 to me.

    I'll jump on the RB bandwagen but I have to say it's always tough to judge how NGC or PCGS
    interprets woodgrain on S mint small cents. It's also tough to judge how much is brown and how
    much is poor alloy mix from a photograph. I wouldn't be shocked to see this in a RD NGC slab.

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  • raysrays Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
    65RB
  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭
    64RB
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>...I have to say it's always tough to judge how NGC or PCGS
    interprets woodgrain on S mint small cents. It's also tough to judge how much is brown and how
    much is poor alloy mix from a photograph. >>

    image

    It's really hard to tell how much red there is in these "woodgrained" early S-mint cents with an image on a monitor. You really need to have these in hand to determine how much red is really left.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    It's graded MS66RB. In-hand it's actually very close to a full red designation. Large images tend to magnify the wood grain toning and obscure color a bit.

    Russ, NCNE
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  • majorbigtimemajorbigtime Posts: 2,937 ✭
    Another RussView™

    I checked with the US Patent and Trademark office--no such mark is registered. Claiming a false trademark is a Federal offense, punishable by a fine and/or imprisonment.

    See 'ya in the slammer!
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Drop dead, blobbo.

    Russ, NCNE
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  • XpipedreamRXpipedreamR Posts: 8,059 ✭✭
    The love is Palpable™ image
  • TACloughTAClough Posts: 1,598 ✭
    I don't mind you using the Russview 'TM', but go back to the 1967 Kennedy you used to have pictured on your threads: The Kennedy is a much more magnificent and humble coin to look upon.

    Thanks for your consideration,
    Tim
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The Kennedy is a much more magnificent and humble coin to look upon. >>



    Clearly, you have excellent taste! image

    It'll be back sooner or later. I'm going to rotate some in and out.

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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,683 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Another RussView™

    I checked with the US Patent and Trademark office--no such mark is registered. Claiming a false trademark is a Federal offense, punishable by a fine and/or imprisonment.

    See 'ya in the slammer! >>

    Actually, it's only a Federal offense to use the encircled R for Registered trademark. TM can be used for anything, provided it is not a trademark held my someone else.

    Jeremy
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  • brccoinsbrccoins Posts: 302 ✭
    MS66RD
    image
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,656 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's graded MS66RB. In-hand it's actually very close to a full red designation. Large images tend to magnify the wood grain toning and obscure color a bit.

    Don't ever crack that sucker. image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,192 ✭✭✭✭
    The woodgrain toning was what confused me.

    Clearly the surfaces are 65+, but I graded it lower because of the woodgrain toning. Which brings up an interesting question...

    Does woodgrain toning on IHC's detract from their grade in the eyes of the TPGs?
    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I stand corrected™ <----- I got a trademark too, do I get a cookie or something ?

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  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,789 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Another RussView™

    I checked with the US Patent and Trademark office--no such mark is registered. Claiming a false trademark is a Federal offense, punishable by a fine and/or imprisonment.

    See 'ya in the slammer! >>

    Actually, it's only a Federal offense to use the encircled R for Registered trademark. TM can be used for anything, provided it is not a trademark held my someone else.

    Jeremy >>





    Damn! Jeremy adminsters a MAJORBIGTIMESPANKING! on that one image

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Damn! Jeremy adminsters a MAJORBIGTIMESPANKING! on that oneimage >>

    Indeed he did, in a professional, polite and gentlemanly fashion too.image
  • majorbigtimemajorbigtime Posts: 2,937 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Another RussView™

    I checked with the US Patent and Trademark office--no such mark is registered. Claiming a false trademark is a Federal offense, punishable by a fine and/or imprisonment.

    See 'ya in the slammer! >>

    Actually, it's only a Federal offense to use the encircled R for Registered trademark. TM can be used for anything, provided it is not a trademark held my someone else.

    Jeremy >>





    Damn! Jeremy adminsters a MAJORBIGTIMESPANKING! on that one image >>






    An unregistered rademark isn't worth face value of a Kennedy half. See http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/tmfaq.htm#Basic001



    What are the benefits of federal trademark registration?

    1. Constructive notice nationwide of the trademark owner's claim.
    2. Evidence of ownership of the trademark.
    3. Jurisdiction of federal courts may be invoked.
    4. Registration can be used as a basis for obtaining registration in foreign countries.
    5. Registration may be filed with U.S. Customs Service to prevent importation of infringing foreign goods.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    needless to say, I now understand why my resume has gone unanswered at PCGS.... I guess everyone would go to NGC if I were grading image

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