Sent an e-mail asking what "book" his auction refers to: Response
Item: COMPLETE 2001-P SGS GRADED PR70 MINT SET $16,800 VALUE (8372385054) This message was sent while the listing was active. swimming19550 is the Seller.
i look up prices for coins at http://www.pcgs.com/prices/ thanks for asking .i aiso reaiize you would not get nor would i pay anywhere near that much for any set but that is the book value.people usually buy them for at least a 100 times less than book value
It's funny, and a little hard to believe, but SGS has probably made more MS-70's than any other grading company! I guess everyone who has an MS-70 submits exclusively to SGS!
SGS certainly outshines ACG!
Well...at least SGS takes the heat off of other garbage grading companies.
I saw some SGS graded coins on ebay and I said why not. There was these 2005 bison nickels that were graded by SGS as MS70. Well, knowing that PCGS has not graded any MS70 at the time I thought that maybe if these were just MS67 I could probably get them regraded by PCGS. I was able to secure these nickels for less then $10, lucky me, I thought. I received the coins and started to look at them with a 5X. I would say they were somewhere between MS62 to MS64. Its pretty easy to start out grading a MS70, first no nicks what so ever on a MS70, these SGS graded coins had dozens of nicks on both sides. These had to of come out of a bag that was thrown around alot. They were shiny though. I emailed the SGS seller about their coins. They were honest with me. They told me that they don't look at the coins, they just "sell" them. They also offered to buy them back if I didn't like them. I was going to leave a negative feedback but I didn't want to get one back. Thinking back, I wonder how many people have bought from them and got crappy coins but just didn't want to leave feedback.
""<< Ebay bidder bradt228 seems to have a particular affinity for swimming19550's auctions. None of this would have anything to do with you would it? >>
Wow! This bidder has a 2 feedback score and he has bid on 50 lots already, mostly on Ernie's. What a joke. ""
My beef is this, if any one of us can see that this guy is a scam, why cant the good folks on Fleabay?? In the long run this kind of behavior resulting in bad feelings and buyers remorse hurts them in the long run and definitely hurts the hobby... I'm almost tempted to create a shiny new ebay profile and quietly email the legitimate bidders informing them of their overwhelming stupidity... or... they clearly know that they are getting ripped and dont care... because they are paying cheap money... and if thats the case let the buyer beware...
My beef is this, if any one of us can see that this guy is a scam, why cant the good folks on Fleabay??
They can but they don't care. I've reported this person mwlizzie six times (yes, it's become an obsession) and they've not done a thing. Usually they'll tell you they found no evidence but I haven't even gotten that canned message from them. Six times!
The only way someone buys SGS coins are, if #1 they are blind, #2 they are Ernie, SGS, stands SUCKERS GET SNARED!!! Ernie go back to Sesame Street. CAN YOU SPELL DUMMY LITTLE JOHNNY? Yes ernie, yes thats right.
<< <i>""<< Ebay bidder bradt228 seems to have a particular affinity for swimming19550's auctions. None of this would have anything to do with you would it? >>
Wow! This bidder has a 2 feedback score and he has bid on 50 lots already, mostly on Ernie's. What a joke. ""
My beef is this, if any one of us can see that this guy is a scam, why cant the good folks on Fleabay?? In the long run this kind of behavior resulting in bad feelings and buyers remorse hurts them in the long run and definitely hurts the hobby... I'm almost tempted to create a shiny new ebay profile and quietly email the legitimate bidders informing them of their overwhelming stupidity... or... they clearly know that they are getting ripped and dont care... because they are paying cheap money... and if thats the case let the buyer beware... >>
Please don't email buyers from this seller in any different name, I have heard some people getting huge dollars trying to defame a person on ebay or any other business, we just have stupid people in the world buying junk.
>>>Please don't email buyers from this seller in any different name, I have heard some people getting huge dollars trying to defame a person on ebay or any other business, we just have stupid people in the world buying junk.
i openly said this
""""WHILE I CANT SAY IF YOUR GUILTY OF FRAUD BECAUSE TO BE GUILTY YOUD OF HAVE TO OF SOLD ONE WHILE REFERING TO OTHER COMPANIES PRICE SHEETS.....I WILL SAY YOUR GUILTY OF ATTEMPTED FRAUD AND CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT FRAUD....ive seen your ebay adds....your only defense in a court of law would be to claim ignorance...of which that sir ...is not an excuse""""
i choose my words carefully......sgs is not the problem....they are entitled to their opinion....the problem is with the sellers of this stuff who refer to price sheets as proof of value when the price sheets they are refering to have absolutely nothing to do with sgs coins and their value
clearly criminal......
you can say what ever you want about sgs coins as long as its true....do say they are a bunch of mother fookers because you dont know if they do that to their moms.....you can say that they grade like sheeat if its true....
i heard about agc....while i dont know what was said or what happened there but i was saw a acg 84-s in ms 64 on ebay a few years back starting at 110,000.........i almost fell out of my chair....i emailed the guy and gave him an earfull....he then asked if id pay 4,000 for the coin
so much for acg quality
while some get scared of the legal system ...
ive been there done that...while we can get sued for anything..if you are ridiculously sued you can counter sue for malicious prosecution ....i have taken a few to the hoop for that and collected nice judgements....actually i just give them all to my lawyer as christmas presents....it keeps him on a free retainer....and i love having a free lawyer while everyone else has to pay theirs...it makes you bullet proof if you know what i mean
monsterman
my goal is to find the monsters and i go where they are but i sometimes miss some.... so if you have any and want to sell IM THE BUYER FOR THEM!!!
out of rockets ...out of bullets...switching to harsh language
the people who are keeping up with pricing ...aka the price sheets...via private sale, auctions and bourse trades is a full time job that the people that do that job work hard at it ...and take pride in their work and are staunch defenders of their work and why they stated the values they did
ernie`s return email would really pi$$ them off
>>>>>i look up prices for coins at http://www.pcgs.com/prices/ thanks for asking .i aiso reaiize you would not get nor would i pay anywhere near that much for any set but that is the book value.people usually buy them for at least a 100 times less than book value
100 times...gimme a break ernie....i also noticed the word "usually"...is this a self addmission that sometimes you stick it to some people really hard....VERY INCRIMINATING!!!!!
can you hear the judge now...i can......one word...guilty
my goal is to find the monsters and i go where they are but i sometimes miss some.... so if you have any and want to sell IM THE BUYER FOR THEM!!!
out of rockets ...out of bullets...switching to harsh language
Comments
but not Simplistic Grading Sucks service
Ernie- who is paying the ebay fee?
Item: COMPLETE 2001-P SGS GRADED PR70 MINT SET $16,800 VALUE (8372385054)
This message was sent while the listing was active.
swimming19550 is the Seller.
i look up prices for coins at http://www.pcgs.com/prices/ thanks for asking .i aiso reaiize you would not get nor would i pay anywhere near that much for any set but that is the book value.people usually buy them for at least a 100 times less than book value
SGS certainly outshines ACG!
Well...at least SGS takes the heat off of other garbage grading companies.
HEY SGS...
YOU AND ERNIE ARE...
NUMBER 1 DEALERS IN NUMBER 2!
I saw some SGS graded coins on ebay and I said why not. There was these 2005 bison nickels that were graded by SGS as MS70. Well, knowing that PCGS has not graded any MS70 at the time I thought that maybe if these were just MS67 I could probably get them regraded by PCGS. I was able to secure these nickels for less then $10, lucky me, I thought. I received the coins and started to look at them with a 5X. I would say they were somewhere between MS62 to MS64. Its pretty easy to start out grading a MS70, first no nicks what so ever on a MS70, these SGS graded coins had dozens of nicks on both sides. These had to of come out of a bag that was thrown around alot. They were shiny though. I emailed the SGS seller about their coins. They were honest with me. They told me that they don't look at the coins, they just "sell" them. They also offered to buy them back if I didn't like them. I was going to leave a negative feedback but I didn't want to get one back. Thinking back, I wonder how many people have bought from them and got crappy coins but just didn't want to leave feedback.
Don
Wow! This bidder has a 2 feedback score and he has bid on 50 lots already, mostly on Ernie's. What a joke. ""
My beef is this, if any one of us can see that this guy is a scam, why cant the good folks on Fleabay?? In the long run this kind of behavior resulting in bad feelings and buyers remorse hurts them in the long run and definitely hurts the hobby... I'm almost tempted to create a shiny new ebay profile and quietly email the legitimate bidders informing them of their overwhelming stupidity... or... they clearly know that they are getting ripped and dont care... because they are paying cheap money... and if thats the case let the buyer beware...
They can but they don't care. I've reported this person mwlizzie six times (yes, it's become an obsession) and they've not done a thing. Usually they'll tell you they found no evidence but I haven't even gotten that canned message from them. Six times!
on a 100 point scale,
<< <i>""<< Ebay bidder bradt228 seems to have a particular affinity for swimming19550's auctions. None of this would have anything to do with you would it? >>
Wow! This bidder has a 2 feedback score and he has bid on 50 lots already, mostly on Ernie's. What a joke. ""
My beef is this, if any one of us can see that this guy is a scam, why cant the good folks on Fleabay?? In the long run this kind of behavior resulting in bad feelings and buyers remorse hurts them in the long run and definitely hurts the hobby... I'm almost tempted to create a shiny new ebay profile and quietly email the legitimate bidders informing them of their overwhelming stupidity... or... they clearly know that they are getting ripped and dont care... because they are paying cheap money... and if thats the case let the buyer beware... >>
Please don't email buyers from this seller in any different name, I have heard some people getting huge dollars trying to defame a person on ebay or any other business, we just have stupid people in the world buying junk.
<< <i>HEY!.......THOSE COINS ARE TOO MS-70!
on a 100 point scale,
No, they still aren't. Maybe on a 1000 point scale
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
>>>Please don't email buyers from this seller in any different name, I have heard some people getting huge dollars trying to defame a person on ebay or any other business, we just have stupid people in the world buying junk.
i openly said this
""""WHILE I CANT SAY IF YOUR GUILTY OF FRAUD BECAUSE TO BE GUILTY YOUD OF HAVE TO OF SOLD ONE WHILE REFERING TO OTHER COMPANIES PRICE SHEETS.....I WILL SAY YOUR GUILTY OF ATTEMPTED FRAUD AND CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT FRAUD....ive seen your ebay adds....your only defense in a court of law would be to claim ignorance...of which that sir ...is not an excuse""""
i choose my words carefully......sgs is not the problem....they are entitled to their opinion....the problem is with the sellers of this stuff who refer to price sheets as proof of value when the price sheets they are refering to have absolutely nothing to do with sgs coins and their value
clearly criminal......
you can say what ever you want about sgs coins as long as its true....do say they are a bunch of mother fookers because you dont know if they do that to their moms.....you can say that they grade like sheeat if its true....
i heard about agc....while i dont know what was said or what happened there but i was saw a acg 84-s in ms 64 on ebay a few years back starting at 110,000.........i almost fell out of my chair....i emailed the guy and gave him an earfull....he then asked if id pay 4,000 for the coin
so much for acg quality
while some get scared of the legal system ...
ive been there done that...while we can get sued for anything..if you are ridiculously sued you can counter sue for malicious prosecution ....i have taken a few to the hoop for that and collected nice judgements....actually i just give them all to my lawyer as christmas presents....it keeps him on a free retainer....and i love having a free lawyer while everyone else has to pay theirs...it makes you bullet proof if you know what i mean
monsterman
out of rockets ...out of bullets...switching to harsh language
ernie`s return email would really pi$$ them off
>>>>>i look up prices for coins at http://www.pcgs.com/prices/ thanks for asking .i aiso reaiize you would not get nor would i pay anywhere near that much for any set but that is the book value.people usually buy them for at least a 100 times less than book value
100 times...gimme a break ernie....i also noticed the word "usually"...is this a self addmission that sometimes you stick it to some people really hard....VERY INCRIMINATING!!!!!
can you hear the judge now...i can......one word...guilty
out of rockets ...out of bullets...switching to harsh language