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Robbery on the Bay of E, the suckers line up...
LucyBop
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in the hopes of getting something for relatively nothing...
I don't know what makes me sicker, the sellers or the buyers whom for some reason don't educate themselves..
http://cgi.ebay.com/Franklin-Half-1953-S-Gem-BU-MS66-FBL-55-000_W0QQitemZ8366971169QQcategoryZ11973QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I don't know what makes me sicker, the sellers or the buyers whom for some reason don't educate themselves..
http://cgi.ebay.com/Franklin-Half-1953-S-Gem-BU-MS66-FBL-55-000_W0QQitemZ8366971169QQcategoryZ11973QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Be Bop A Lula!!
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
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But its a shame
That doesnt look like and FBL Frankie to me.............
TorinoCobra71
"That Seller IS NOT Groovy!"
i know jack squat about the coin listed in the auction but I will
take a stab at why the bidders are silly.
The coin cannot possibly be a 66. I can see scratches and the FBL
from the pictures can easily be argued as wrong.
Lucy, am I missing the big picture here? Is there something more wrong than a truly bad description?
thanks
<< <i>
Lucy, am I missing the big picture here? Is there something more wrong than a truly bad description?
thanks >>
Well, yes. It's an intentionally wrong and misleading description.
Russ said thats a no no ......
I would like to make that kind of money but, its immoral.
Im a sucker for IN GOD WE TRUST...
PS.. I dont see a S mark?
<< <i>Thats what i said, when refering to my first ebay auction.
Russ said thats a no no ......
I would like to make that kind of money but, its immoral.
Im a sucker for IN GOD WE TRUST...
PS.. I dont see a S mark? >>
"S" mint mark is there, right above the bell.
Gotta love that reddish orange light he uses, the same light he uses to hide marks on many of his auctions.
i think you nailed the real reason the decription is wrong. thanks!
a grade is an opinion, and so is FBL. but i do not see a mint mark either.
ugh! oldtime u are right! the description seems accurate in someone'e opinion again.
<< <i>glavin,
i think you nailed the real reason the decription is wrong. thanks!
a grade is an opinion, and so is FBL. but i do not see a mint mark either.
ugh! oldtime u are right! the description seems accurate in someone'e opinion again. >>
There is clearly a S mint mark on this deceptive and dishonest auction... FBL is a matter of opinion eh?
The 53s in FBL is the Holy Grail to FRANKLIN collectors...
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
Was I wrong to assume that FBL is just an opinion? You are an expert in this series, so you can make those fine line judgements?
But there must be frankies out there that experts disagree on so it
does end up being a matter of opinion?
thanks
Greetings!
Copy and paste the link below and see what some very knowledgeable coin collectors are saying about this 1953 Franklin that you're bidding on. I'd hate to see you get ripped off (and so would they). Just one honest coin collector watching out for your best interest, I hope you understand. You may want to cancel your bid (or not place another one)? If not... GOOD LUCK! (and Happy New Year!) LINK: http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=463474
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<< <i>lucy,
Was I wrong to assume that FBL is just an opinion? You are an expert in this series, so you can make those fine line judgements?
But there must be frankies out there that experts disagree on so it
does end up being a matter of opinion?
thanks >>
The bottom line is this is a 20 - 25 dollar coin, tops. due to the deceptive hype/description of a coin that isnt ms66, isnt fbl, the seller has laid bait and has reeled some in so far to the tune of $199....
and that figure will probably get worse b auctions end, and the buyer, that person will be out....
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
<< <i>I dont see what the big fuss is over this auction. REMEMBER: this is my opinion. The seller doesnt state in the description that it is an MS66 coin. He states it in the title WITH a question mark. From that I get "This may be a MS66 Frankilin, maybe". As far as FBL, that is an opinion just like grading, maybe he sees FBL, maybe you wont. I admit the picture could be a whole lot better. If that were my auction, and I believed that I truley discribed the coin to the best of my ability, then let them bid away!!! He did start it at .99 cents. Theres alot of clues, just boils down to smart shopping! >>
feel free to bid on it!
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
<< <i>I hope I dont get punished for my auction. It reads full luster and a hint of gold toning. >>
and you just might if your desciption is a blatant deception.
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
Lucy, lighten up on me. I may never want to voice my opinon here again.....
I wouldnt spend 199.00 on ANY Franklin.........they bore me.
on his auctions.
Maybe things will get better but i doubt it
All of use with the 97.14% in the FBL line are looking for that grail Lucy is talking about.
PCGS registrty Franklin FBL
<< <i>There are alot more deceptive auctions out there that need more attention then this one. This one is a buyers stupidity more then a sellers deception.
Lucy, lighten up on me. I may never want to voice my opinon here again.....
I wouldnt spend 199.00 on ANY Franklin.........they bore me. >>
thats because you reject reality and substitute your own.
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
I wont have this bickering tween us in '06................ Glad we had it before hand!
Happy New Year everyone!!!!!!!
<< <i>Lucy,
I wont have this bickering tween us in '06................ Glad we had it before hand!
Happy New Year everyone!!!!!!! >>
bickering? You can defend auctions of that nature all you want...
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
& i brought along a friend too
you need to have a bit thicker skin when using the internet ;-)
edited to put just: blank
<< <i>outtachaos,
you need to have a bit thicker skin when using the internet ;-)
do not sweat it. lucy probably ran out of margarita mix or something. >>
There is no need for that last remark.
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
Of course they forgot to put it in a holder.
1953-S Franklin Half Super GEM BU MS65 PQ+++ 66 FBL!!
and he ran the same auction/coin about four or five times and this guy is a power seller.
<< <i>Lucy check out this Franklin auction only $15,999.99 for a MS66FBL.
Of course they forgot to put it in a holder.
1953-S Franklin Half Super GEM BU MS65 PQ+++ 66 FBL!!
and he ran the same auction/coin about four or five times and this guy is a power seller. >>
That auction has been a subject on here before, that 53s is very well struck. You would think they would submit it to PCGs and get the FBL
designation they claim the coin deserves.
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
<< <i>Lucy check out this Franklin auction only $15,999.99 for a MS66FBL.
Of course they forgot to put it in a holder.
1953-S Franklin Half Super GEM BU MS65 PQ+++ 66 FBL!!
and he ran the same auction/coin about four or five times and this guy is a power seller. >>
Now THAT is a deceptive description!
Finaly I agree w/ Lucy...that remark was uncalled for....even I didnt go there. LOL...And she caught it before the edit. Good one.
<< <i>
<< <i>Lucy check out this Franklin auction only $15,999.99 for a MS66FBL.
Of course they forgot to put it in a holder.
1953-S Franklin Half Super GEM BU MS65 PQ+++ 66 FBL!!
and he ran the same auction/coin about four or five times and this guy is a power seller. >>
Now THAT is a deceptive description!
Finaly I agree w/ Lucy...that remark was uncalled for....even I didnt go there. LOL...And she caught it before the edit. Good one. >>
We are free to disagree on here, I realize that, no need to throw a personal jab in...
And if one has ten posts or 100,000, they are still a valued member that has to right to have input here.
I have never judged a person on thier post count, rather, it has been thier content and value to these boards.
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
<< <i>Yes Lucy if they want and really feel it is that good I agree it would be worth spending $50.00 to get it certified. I know a lot of people including me that won't touch it otherwise. Sorry but not going to put that kind of money on a long shot. >>
If that coin is truely a FBL coin, I would jump at the chance to submit it if I was this seller, I would enjoy the publicity of bringing a 53S FBL in a five holder, freshly graded, to the market!
The excuse they use not to submit it is lame IMO.
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
with all due respect ; you can not call one a robber and stick up for the other .
they are both raw coins -both claiming to be FBL's and both supposedly worth a ton of money .
I myself would call them BOTH deceptive .
They are BOTH auctions put up by ROBBERS !!
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
I had the exact coin in my hands a couple years back
WHEN IT WAS IN A PCGS 64 HOLDER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<< <i>There are alot more deceptive auctions out there that need more attention then this one. This one is a buyers stupidity more then a sellers deception.
Lucy, lighten up on me. I may never want to voice my opinon here again.....
I wouldnt spend 199.00 on ANY Franklin.........they bore me. >>
Methinks this boy was hitting the New Years drinks about 12 hours early!!
they feel they are losing very little.
P.T. Barnum shows his ghost every day. That's why most of the dealers are still in business....
I bought a single coin from him and asked him if i could return it -
he left me neg. feedback on ebay and said i tried to "renigg" on the deal .
I consider him nothing more then a robber and a thief .