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Grade this 1921 Pilgrim Commemorative - PLEASE - Photo Added

nesvtnesvt Posts: 2,214
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It's not a test. I'm looking for opinions. Still has lots of luster that doesn't show in the scans. Thanks!

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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,897 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can't tell if it's a slider or an MS64!

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  • robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭
    Nice Pilgrim. Looks to me like it has been dipped, improperly rinsed, and allowed to retone. Although it is difficult to grade from the scan as you cannot see the lustre, I do see evidence of the flow lines being broken in many locations and I would assume incomplete lustre. The only major distraction of note is a rim problem near the "1920" on the reverse. There is an absense of major hits and I think the coin does have some measure of eye appeal, particularly if there is nice lustre which cannot be seen here.

    My WAG is somewhere between AU53 and AU55.
  • TUMUSSTUMUSS Posts: 2,207 ✭
    58 - 61
  • zeus135zeus135 Posts: 1,043 ✭
    Cleaned some time ago, quite obviously. Just look at the marks right in front of the lips / nose.
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,848 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The piece has either been improperly rinsed after it was dipped and has re-toned dark, or it is an original coin that was stored for a long time in an envelope that was NOT made of sulfur-free paper. Either way, grading coins like this from a scan is almost impossible. One has to see the luster in person to grade it properly.

    I’m with Lord Marcovan on this one. It could anything from an AU-58 to an MS-64, but if it does reach MS-64, it would not be an “easy sell” at that grade because the eye appeal does not appear to be there.
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  • nesvtnesvt Posts: 2,214
    Thanks everyone. I appreciate the opinions. I tried to take a photo. I'm going to buy myself a copy stand for the holidays... and maybe a new digital camera.

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  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    Not a pretty Pilgrim, PASS.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    Agree, impossible to tell. I have a scanner that takes an OK looking coin and makes it look similar to what you have. That was an MS65 IKE coin. I have another scanner that does much better. So I don't think you will get your answer with this pic. Minimum AU58 - MAX MS64 if you want a lousy opinion.

    I would take it to your local dealer for a quick look.
  • FountainheadFountainhead Posts: 956
    It does look cleaned, but maybe that's the photo. Strike is incomplete on the reverse, or else the coin is worn a bit -- though I can't make out any wear on the obverse. If not cleaned, an AU58 or MS64 (slider MS65). Not a pretty coin, which is too bad, as I can make out only the beginnings of die cracks on the reverse.
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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    The pics say muted luster MS 64 to me, but the surface preservation looks 65 at least...Mike
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  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭

    I've seen color like that resulting from cooking a coin in a pan image

  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭
    Looks AU58 to MS62 to me. If it were mine I would redip it and properly neutralize it.
    Any additional loss of luster would probably be more than compensated for.
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