POLL: Which coin is worth more?

MrEureka · December 11, 2005 8:36AM

Which of these two 1945 dimes is worth more?

my3cents · December 11, 2005 8:40AM

it's a trick question

ziggy29 · December 11, 2005 8:42AM

Depends on their relative supply and demand. For me personally, it would depend on whether or not I insisted on full bands if I were building a Merc set.

TommyType · December 11, 2005 8:44AM

Why grade coins?

coinguy1 · December 11, 2005 8:45AM

Andy, please define "worth"? Also, please provide (hypothetical) images, even if this is a hypothetical.

Shamika · December 11, 2005 8:46AM

Considering that I've never heard of PCGCS, I'll stick with the PCGS coin.

Seriously, I'd rather go with the 67 as opposed to the 65FB. However, I know how hung up people can be with Full Bands so 65 is likely the more expensive.

mgoodm3 · December 11, 2005 8:48AM

to me the 67.

Keyrock · December 11, 2005 8:51AM

assuming it is a PCGS and not a pcgcs I'd say the 65FB. Consider it a PQ 63FB and your still ahead of the game. Now which is more desirable as a collector, the 67.

Take the 65 and sell it. Get the 67 and keep the change. Someone will buy the plastic.

airplanenut · December 11, 2005 8:51AM

Likely the 67... there's probably more demand from people who really want the color than people who really want the plastic. Then again, never misunderestimate people...

MrEureka · December 11, 2005 8:52AM

In my opinion, the better coin is worth less.

Deadhorse · December 11, 2005 8:56AM

What's "just barely FB"?

That's like being a little bit pregnant. It either is or it isn't. If PCGS, or even PCGCS says it's FB, then it is.

With a '45, full bands far outweigh any color or grade minus the FB.

I've owned a '45 that "just missed" FB. The coin was also just missing several thousand dollars of value.

Barry · December 11, 2005 8:57AM

Probably the 67. Lot of number collectors out there.

MrEureka · December 11, 2005 9:03AM

For a point of reference, the CU guide lists 65FBs at $10,000 and 67s at $40. Does that help?

fc · December 11, 2005 9:07AM

goes to show how important strike characteristics are to some people.

edited to add: why is the 45P FB such a freak mreureka?

also, how can a MS67 1945 mercury dime not have FB? I thought
to achieve such a high grade, you needed an excellent strike.

so confusing.

1jester · December 11, 2005 9:12AM

<< It either is or it isn't. If PCGS, or even PCGCS says it's FB, then it is. >>

PS: I'd prefer the 67 for my personal collection.

p8nt · December 11, 2005 9:21AM

Defining "worth" is more important than the answer.

Worth in terms of registry points would be equal, at least in a non-FB registry set.

Worth in monetary terms would depend on the collector. I would personally go for the 67. But what fun would collecting be if we all wanted the exact same things?

relayer · December 11, 2005 9:28AM

The more valuable one

Barry · December 11, 2005 9:34AM

Not being a Merc collector, I have a question:

QDB has commented in his columns about strike characteristsics such as FH, FB, etc. being silly, as they focus on just one characteristic, not necessarily representing a full strike. He has suggested the term "full strike" be used more judiciously.

Getting back to FB, isn't it pretty easy to take an almost FB coin and tool that just enough separation in there? Is this something that's easy to detect?

Bear · December 11, 2005 9:36AM

Hypothetically speaking, the more valuable coin

is the one worth more.

Deadhorse · December 11, 2005 9:49AM

<< Not being a Merc collector, I have a question:

QDB has commented in his columns about strike characteristsics such as FH, FB, etc. being silly, as they focus on just one characteristic, not necessarily representing a full strike. He has suggested the term "full strike" be used more judiciously.

Getting back to FB, isn't it pretty easy to take an almost FB coin and tool that just enough separation in there? Is this something that's easy to detect? >>

Yes it's easy to detect. The '45 is a special animal when it comes to full bands. Notoriously a year with a weak strike. Perhaps because it was the last year and they weren't making any more dies, but that's just a guess on my part. I went on a serious search for one a few years back. It's tough to find one slabbed in ANY grade, much less high MS. I finally settled on a 63 and paid more than I'd planned, thought I could buy a 65 for that kind of money. Today I could easily make a profit on it.

45s in 67 aren't all that tough to find and you could buy a handfull of them for the price of a high quality full bander. They are one of the grails for Merc collectors, like a 42 over 41 and the 16 D.

coinfreak499 · December 11, 2005 9:51AM

the 65FB but, I'd rather own the 67

mercurydimeguy · December 11, 2005 10:01AM

If you're referring to monetary worth, than the 45-P FB by a factor of 250 times.

I've seen a number of wish 45-P FB's in PCGS plastic, and have even owned 2. I've also owned one nice PCGS 45-P FB.

I've also owned 2 wish 45-P's FB in Anacs plastic. The best one I ever owned or had an opportunity to personally examine was in NGC 64FB plastic. Ironically, I tried crossing this coin 3 times and it never did. I wish I could've sent the 2 PCGS ones I had at the time and asked them to compare, but there is no way to mix those 3 coins on the order form.

I own 2 45-P FB dimes now -- both MS63. But, 2 times now PCGS won't give them the FB designation. Sad, because the bands are as strong as any PCGS graded 45-P in Full Bands that I've seen. But hey, that's politics for you.

coinkat · December 11, 2005 10:06AM

A is worth more because of the plastic that it is in combined with the fact that FSB is one of those designations that means alot especially for this date.

I would rather have the 65 FSB so I could sell it to someone who would appreciate it more than me and then I would have several thousand dollars to buy what I really want.

MrEureka · December 11, 2005 1:49PM

Not much of a consensus here, yet the market values of the two coins are wildly divergent. How is that possible?

jcping · December 11, 2005 2:33PM

MS65FB plastic is worth more, but I will take MS67 almost FB all day long.

Deadhorse · December 11, 2005 2:36PM

<< Not much of a consensus here, yet the market values of the two coins are wildly divergent. How is that possible? >>

I'd say it suggests that many people here don't realize how rare a 45 in FB actually is and have no idea of the value of one.

TommyType · December 11, 2005 2:41PM

<< 

<< Not much of a consensus here, yet the market values of the two coins are wildly divergent. How is that possible? >>

I'd say it suggests that many people here don't realize how rare a 45 in FB actually is and have no idea of the value of one. >>

No....Just an extension of the "Who wants that Modern Crap?", and "I'm so good, I only buy Original Surfaces", and "Don't buy Widgets" mentality.

(Maybe I need to take some time off from the boards. )

MrEureka · December 11, 2005 2:53PM

duplicate post, sorry...

MrEureka · December 11, 2005 2:56PM

I'd say it suggests that many people here don't realize how rare a 45 in FB actually is and have no idea of the value of one.

Could be. Then again, rarity may be overrated. After all, a 45 dime with no bands and carved initials in the left obverse field is even rarer than a 65FB. Of course, nobody really values carved initials on a Mercury dime.

So maybe the aspect of the coin that determines its rarity must be important before it adds real, sustainable value? And if that's the case, and judging the results of this poll, perhaps the difference between almost FB and barely FB is not all that important?

Except for the plastic, of course.

coppercoins · December 11, 2005 3:52PM

The number one thing for me is luster. If a coin has really nice luster, it easily overcomes strike. Of course at times those go hand in hand. I responded with the 67 though. I don't care about the bands nearly as much as a nice, clean coin with a pile of luster.

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