<< <i>I just question whether this is the proper forum to 'discuss' another forum members wares, policies and tactics without trying a pm first. Why not ask Dick yourself? If I had a question for you, especially one that involved your integrity, I would use the pm first. I guess I just feel as forum members we are all part of a large, dysfunctional family >>
Why not? It's proper to discuss everyone else under the sun. It's proper for people to discuss DLRC and Heritage at one time for selling 3rd tier slabs.
I don't have any questions for Dick or anyone and once again if it's proper to discuss any other Joe Schmoe on ebay, why is it improper to discuss one that happens to be a member?
<< <i>Ummmm, the last time you saw me involved in a bashing thread was, uh, never? If you wrote greattoning, or any other seller through the ask a question on fleabay first, and got either no or an unsatisfactory response, well fine. Sling away. >>
I never said you were bashing anyone. My point is that it is perfectly fine for everyone to discuss anything and everything ebay so why is discussing this auction on here wrong? I see nothing wrong with discussing it and find those 2 listings to be nothing short of curious to me.
That was why I stated "Double Standard".
If we can dish it out to sellers, we (as sellers) should be able to take it as well.
Good people of the forum I'm sorry I'm late to the party but better late than never I always say. First I will say that I have only charged the 10% restocking fee 2 times in over 4,000 sales and then only because of what I considered extreme abuse (returning over 50% of the items I sold). I have it in my policies only as a deterent to irrational bidding. That said if you check with my customers I give all a complete refund and in some cases when my pictures are at fault I refund their shipping back to me as well. When it comes to my consignments I try to keep my consignors happy but it some cases I let them know that I do not like to sell certain slabs and please don't send them to me. I know I can't keep eyerone happy but sometimes I end up between a rock and a hard place. My feeling is that by putting coins up without the companies name I am basically selling a raw coin with a third party grading opinion. My feeling is that if you don't know who is giving that opinion it is pretty much worthless. I can't like everything that I put up and anyone that say that they do are just not being realistic. I am by no means trying to fool anyone. Please feel free to call me or email anytime to discuss anything in this thread or just to say hello. Thank you for listening. Dick 617/964-6960
I find it ironic and impressive that Dick, as the recipient of heavy criticism (some, though not all of it justified in my opinion), remained cooler and more polite than some of the posters to the thread.
<< <i>Now back to the topic of the thread. I think it is a big negative when a dealer sells NTC slabs. I really agree with this- I like Russ' approach in that he refuses to handle any coins in their holders. Too much negative perception comes along for the ride when a dealer starts to handle things like ntc and nnc. As far as greattoning goes, I think I've purchased about 8 or 9 morgans from him in the past. Of the nine, I would say that 8 have been either as good as the pictures, or slightly better. One morgan did not look like the picture enough, but I still liked it enough to keep it. I think that when someone sells a large inventory of toned coins, it can be difficult to image every one as they exactly appear.... >>
I am one of many collectors that has been burned by letting myself be tempted by coins in ACG and SEGS holders in the past. I have only bought 3 PCI coins and they all crossed at the same grade (I broke them out) when graded by PCGS. Admittedly they were in "old" PCI holders. My "other TPG" graded coin purchases date back to 1999/2000. I have learned my lesson.
Dick is an honest dealer as far as I can tell. His mistake was to not cut away entirely the NTC holder and sell the coin as if it wee RAW if he was obliged to accept it as part of a consignment.
AGC, NTC, NNC, PGS, etc. are all TV hyped.
I could even agree with Ms. Sperber about selling coins graded by such services.
But if a coin is RAW grading becomes a matter of opinion between the dealer and the buyer.
As far as I can tell it is a minor slip in style by Great Toning. He doesn't deserve to be bashed for it. He should simply be asked to be a bit more careful next time. That's my 2 cents.
cho10
Collecting since the 1980's Morgan Dollars Circ. Strikes - Basic Set - Varieties - Prooflike Basic Set - Date Set - Carson City - Early S Mint Short Set - Mintmark Type Set Morgan Dollars Proof - Basic Set - Varieties Peace Circ.
<< <i>It's clear now that Stman & Goose3 had a hidden agenda when Stman started this bashing thread and Goose3 played tag team...
I'm very surprised at some of the other members that that took there pound of flesh for little or no reason...
All in all a pretty "Sleazy" display to say the least... >>
Denver Dave. You must be omniscient. He and I had this thread all planned out weeks ago even prior to the listing of those coins! Heck we must be omniscient! Fact is that when I see a subject posted by Stman, he is one of the few members whose threads I will always read, sort of like TomB, Shylock, Coinguy1, etc.
Stman calls things like he sees them and in case you haven't noticed so do I regardless of who the seller or dealer might be. This usually doesn't fare well with a lapdog or two at times.
This is a bashing thread? Where? Quotes?
Sleazy?
As I stated before several times. It's all fun and games to pick someone apart and pile on them when he or she is an unknown to the members here. Make any critical remarks no matter how minor about someone on here and Watch out!!!!! That is not permitted and if you do, you're "sleazy".
<< <i>I find it ironic and impressive that Dick, as the recipient of heavy criticism (some, though not all of it justified in my opinion), remained cooler and more polite than some of the posters to the thread. >>
If you are going to block out the holder, and you don't agree with their grading practices, why advertise it as "certified". If this were my coin I would photoshop out the entire holder and sell it as an AU... or maybe an MS 60 depending on how it looks in hand.
"Don't bother just to be better than your contemporaries or predecessors. Try to be better than yourself." - William Faulkner NoEbayAuctionsForNow
I can see situations where a dealer could get stuck with slabs such as this. They might come with bigger deals or just be a great coin in questionable plastic. I can also see where it could be tough to move them just because of it.
That said. If I had to move slabs such as this I would probably crop out the entire slab and list it at a grade I felt correct. In the listing I would state something like, this is in an xxx slab graded xx, but I grade it xx because.... Full disclosure.
All that said, I really agree with this quote.
<< <i>Too much negative perception comes along for the ride when a dealer starts to handle things like ntc and nnc. >>
After reading over the thread I would like to make an offer to Fatman to return the coin he is obviously not happy with and return all his money including shipping back to me. I had no idea he was not satisfied with the coin or the picture but I try to go out of my way to keep customers happy. The place to voice displeasure with a transaction should be between the parties not on a public forum. Just my opinion Thanks Dick
<< <i>It's clear now that Stman & Goose3 had a hidden agenda when Stman started this bashing thread and Goose3 played tag team... >>
Bashing thread? I don't see where I did any "bashing" Truth IMO yes. Very seldom do I start threads these days, and very rare will it be about ebay. I'm my own person, and I suspect Goose is as well, As he has stated, perhaps we get tired of all the double standards on this board. Not many have the guts to say how they feel, and trust me, I haven't said exactly how I feel because that might be considered "bashing."
I forgot, it's supposed to be all "happy" talk when it's a so-called respected seller. They put their stuff up for the world to see and then cover it up. I don't believe this is he first time either. Agenda? You been talking to the seller, but yes, it's no secret we don't care for each other. Never have, never will.
Sorry folks as most of you know, I don't try and win no popularity contests on here or anywhere. I'm the same on this board and in person. Believe this..... There are many, and I mean many, folks on here and that read this board that feel the same as I do. I try and hold back on the bashing, and usually do a good job at it. In closing I will say this..... Some folks will sure do ANYTHING for the almighty dollar. The party is O....V.....E.....R!!!!
Please... Save The Stories, Just Answer My Questions, And Tell Me How Much!!!!!
Here's the problem. When a respected seller such as yourself sells stuff like NTC, it lends credibility to these garbage slabbers. If a newb comes along and sees that somebody with your reputation is willing to handle this material they will mistakenly assume the coins are okay.
Perhaps I erred when I when I blocked out the slab but I want to be careful the way I word things because I'm not looking for a law suit. The truth of the matter is that I would prefer selling only the "big 3" but unfortunately this isn't the perfect world. I thought I was making a statement by blocking the name of the company but obviously my point did not come accross the way I envisioned. To any that were offended I do apologize
<< <i>Perhaps I erred when I when I blocked out the slab but I want to be careful the way I word things because I'm not looking for a law suit. >>
You're worried about NTC suing you? They don't have the means, nor do they want the additional publicity about their shoddy grading practices.
<< <i>The truth of the matter is that I would prefer selling only the "big 3" but unfortunately this isn't the perfect world. >>
That's a copout. If you really only want to sell reputable slabs, simply make that part of your consignment policies. The vast majority of your clients will understand that.
How about we make this constructive, and suggest how a slab like this SHOULD be sold?
- Refuse to sell it? - Sell it as is, with the explanation that you realize it's a less "respected" TPG, and with your own grade? (same or different than the TPG grade). - Break it out and sell it raw? - Photograph it as coin only, sell it raw at your grade, and let the receiver decide to break it or not?
Personally, I would think all of these are up-front, honest, and perfectly acceptable.
"Agenda? You been talking to the seller, but yes, it's no secret we don't care for each other. Never have, never will."
Poor form... Mr D has 100% positive feedback; numerous return clients and friends who immediately come to his defense when he is unfairly trashed; and pictures with every post...how many ebay sellers can match up?
Why such venom? Perhaps someone remains jealous that Mr D is such a very successful seller, while he is most recognized for trying to trash others?
I am particularly amused at how the criticisms are woven under a veneer of protecting the public by exposing "reprehensible" acts....Experience tells me that self-righteousness and hypocrisy often go hand in hand.
"Portraying yourself to be a savior is easy; living up to that august billing is far more difficult."
"You keep your 1804 dollar and 1822 half eagle -- give me rainbow roosies in MS68." rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
<< <i>Good people of the forum I'm sorry I'm late to the party but better late than never I always say. First I will say that I have only charged the 10% restocking fee 2 times in over 4,000 sales and then only because of what I considered extreme abuse (returning over 50% of the items I sold). I have it in my policies only as a deterent to irrational bidding. That said if you check with my customers I give all a complete refund and in some cases when my pictures are at fault I refund their shipping back to me as well. When it comes to my consignments I try to keep my consignors happy but it some cases I let them know that I do not like to sell certain slabs and please don't send them to me. I know I can't keep eyerone happy but sometimes I end up between a rock and a hard place. My feeling is that by putting coins up without the companies name I am basically selling a raw coin with a third party grading opinion. My feeling is that if you don't know who is giving that opinion it is pretty much worthless. I can't like everything that I put up and anyone that say that they do are just not being realistic. I am by no means trying to fool anyone. Please feel free to call me or email anytime to discuss anything in this thread or just to say hello. Thank you for listening. Dick 617/964-6960 >>
Very cool reply. I may stand corrected, if I didn't already say so.
<< <i>The truth of the matter is that I would prefer selling only the "big 3" but unfortunately this isn't the perfect world. >>
That's a copout. If you really only want to sell reputable slabs, simply make that part of your consignment policies. The vast majority of your clients will understand that. >>
Or, add a "bottom feeder slab fee" to your consignment fees to pay for getting the coin reholdered. There are many ways around this, and IMHO the seller chose about the worst possible option.
Not going to get into name calling as others seem to do...
<< <i>Poor form >>
I have no "agenda" I was honest though and mentioned we didn't care for each other. And will add I don't see that changing. If it does, I'm open to that. If that was "poor form" I'm OK with that.
<< <i>Why such venom? Perhaps someone remains jealous that Mr D is such a very successful seller >>
I have no "venom." I will be honest once again. The only venom I have is when Cancer took my wife and we got robbed. Everything else since then doesn't phase me in the least.
<< <i>Perhaps someone remains jealous that Mr D is such a very successful seller >>
Perhaps "someone" may be jealous, but it's certainly not me. I own and operate my own business (and very successfully I might add) so I could care less about whether a seller on ebay is successful, or not.
Hope I answered your questions. I might add it took you a while to come to slam me this time. I have a question for you.... Do you consign material to this seller? Please just answer yes or no. Have a safe Holiday season. You too Mr.D.
Please... Save The Stories, Just Answer My Questions, And Tell Me How Much!!!!!
I hope you and yours have a happy holiday season and a prosperous New Year. Furthurmore I hope this is the last of any unecesary negativity or pot stiring directed toward me. Anything that you may have a problem with might be better directed in a PM, Email or a phone call.
<< <i>I hope you and yours have a happy holiday season and a prosperous New Year. Furthurmore I hope this is the last of any unecesary negativity or pot stiring directed toward me. Anything that you may have a problem with might be better directed in a PM, Email or a phone call. >>
Well said Dick. I don't think I have ever purchased coins from you but your photography is great and the coins you offer are first class from what I have been able to see.
While I think that stman started this thread in good faith and has not really written anything more than his opinion which I think should be respected, perhaps some of the remarks have been stronger than was really justified and possibly intended.
Can't we all just let things cool off?
cho10
Collecting since the 1980's Morgan Dollars Circ. Strikes - Basic Set - Varieties - Prooflike Basic Set - Date Set - Carson City - Early S Mint Short Set - Mintmark Type Set Morgan Dollars Proof - Basic Set - Varieties Peace Circ.
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<< <i>I just question whether this is the proper forum to 'discuss' another forum members wares, policies and tactics without trying a pm first. Why not ask Dick yourself? If I had a question for you, especially one that involved your integrity, I would use the pm first. I guess I just feel as forum members we are all part of a large, dysfunctional family >>
Why not? It's proper to discuss everyone else under the sun. It's proper for people to discuss DLRC and Heritage at one time for selling 3rd tier slabs.
I don't have any questions for Dick or anyone and once again if it's proper to discuss any other Joe Schmoe on ebay, why is it improper to discuss one that happens to be a member?
<< <i>Ummmm, the last time you saw me involved in a bashing thread was, uh, never?
If you wrote greattoning, or any other seller through the ask a question on fleabay first, and got either no or an unsatisfactory response, well fine. Sling away. >>
I never said you were bashing anyone. My point is that it is perfectly fine for everyone to discuss anything and everything ebay so why is discussing this auction on here wrong? I see nothing wrong with discussing it and find those 2 listings to be nothing short of curious to me.
That was why I stated "Double Standard".
If we can dish it out to sellers, we (as sellers) should be able to take it as well.
<< <i>Is SEGS that much more respected than NTC? >>
I guess the "seller" thinks so. He's been selling those without covering them up.
Goose, you should know by now, board members get a free pass no matter what they do. And keep doing, and keep doing.
That being said, I would either sell the coin with no slab info erasing or not sell it at all. Maybe Dick can chime in here on his thoughts...
Doug
<< <i>Is SEGS that much more respected than NTC? >>
I think so. In Bust series circulated I have seen many SEGS coins graded as well as NGC.
It's clear now that Stman & Goose3 had a hidden agenda when Stman started this bashing thread and Goose3 played tag team...
I'm very surprised at some of the other members that that took there pound of flesh for little or no reason...
All in all a pretty "Sleazy" display to say the least...
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Take Care, Dave
Dealers who sell crap like this disgust me.
When it comes to my consignments I try to keep my consignors happy but it some cases I let them know that I do not like to sell certain slabs and please don't send them to me. I know I can't keep eyerone happy but sometimes I end up between a rock and a hard place. My feeling is that by putting coins up without the companies name I am basically selling a raw coin with a third party grading opinion. My feeling is that if you don't know who is giving that opinion it is pretty much worthless. I can't like everything that I put up and anyone that say that they do are just not being realistic. I am by no means trying to fool anyone. Please feel free to call me or email anytime to discuss anything in this thread or just to say hello.
Thank you for listening.
Dick
617/964-6960
<< <i>Now back to the topic of the thread. I think it is a big negative when a dealer sells NTC slabs. I really agree with this- I like Russ' approach in that he refuses to handle any coins in their holders. Too much negative perception comes along for the ride when a dealer starts to handle things like ntc and nnc. As far as greattoning goes, I think I've purchased about 8 or 9 morgans from him in the past. Of the nine, I would say that 8 have been either as good as the pictures, or slightly better. One morgan did not look like the picture enough, but I still liked it enough to keep it. I think that when someone sells a large inventory of toned coins, it can be difficult to image every one as they exactly appear.... >>
I am one of many collectors that has been burned by letting myself be tempted by coins in ACG and SEGS holders in the past. I have only bought 3 PCI coins and they all crossed at the same grade (I broke them out) when graded by PCGS. Admittedly they were in "old" PCI holders. My "other TPG" graded coin purchases date back to 1999/2000. I have learned my lesson.
Dick is an honest dealer as far as I can tell. His mistake was to not cut away entirely the NTC holder and sell the coin as if it wee RAW if he was obliged to accept it as part of a consignment.
AGC, NTC, NNC, PGS, etc. are all TV hyped.
I could even agree with Ms. Sperber about selling coins graded by such services.
But if a coin is RAW grading becomes a matter of opinion between the dealer and the buyer.
As far as I can tell it is a minor slip in style by Great Toning. He doesn't deserve to be bashed for it. He should simply be asked to be a bit more careful next time. That's my 2 cents.
Collecting since the 1980's
Morgan Dollars Circ. Strikes
- Basic Set - Varieties - Prooflike Basic Set - Date Set
- Carson City - Early S Mint Short Set - Mintmark Type Set
Morgan Dollars Proof
- Basic Set - Varieties
Peace Circ.
<< <i>It's clear now that Stman & Goose3 had a hidden agenda when Stman started this bashing thread and Goose3 played tag team...
I'm very surprised at some of the other members that that took there pound of flesh for little or no reason...
All in all a pretty "Sleazy" display to say the least... >>
Denver Dave. You must be omniscient. He and I had this thread all planned out weeks ago even prior to the listing of those coins! Heck we must be omniscient! Fact is that when I see a subject posted by Stman, he is one of the few members whose threads I will always read, sort of like TomB, Shylock, Coinguy1, etc.
Stman calls things like he sees them and in case you haven't noticed so do I regardless of who the seller or dealer might be. This usually doesn't fare well with a lapdog or two at times.
This is a bashing thread? Where? Quotes?
Sleazy?
As I stated before several times. It's all fun and games to pick someone apart and pile on them when he or she is an unknown to the members here. Make any critical remarks no matter how minor about someone on here and Watch out!!!!! That is not permitted and if you do, you're "sleazy".
are the grades that are stated NTC's grades or MrD's? I would assume that they are NTC's from what I read.
<< <i>I find it ironic and impressive that Dick, as the recipient of heavy criticism (some, though not all of it justified in my opinion), remained cooler and more polite than some of the posters to the thread.
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They might come with bigger deals or just be a great coin in questionable plastic.
I can also see where it could be tough to move them just because of it.
That said. If I had to move slabs such as this I would probably
crop out the entire slab and list it at a grade I felt correct.
In the listing I would state something like, this is in an xxx slab graded xx,
but I grade it xx because.... Full disclosure.
All that said, I really agree with this quote.
<< <i>Too much negative perception comes along for the ride when a dealer starts to handle things like ntc and nnc. >>
Thanks
Dick
<< <i>It's clear now that Stman & Goose3 had a hidden agenda when Stman started this bashing thread and Goose3 played tag team... >>
Bashing thread? I don't see where I did any "bashing" Truth IMO yes. Very seldom do I start threads these days, and very rare will
it be about ebay. I'm my own person, and I suspect Goose is as well, As he has stated, perhaps we get tired of all the double standards on this board.
Not many have the guts to say how they feel, and trust me, I haven't said exactly how I feel because that might be considered "bashing."
I forgot, it's supposed to be all "happy" talk when it's a so-called respected seller. They put their stuff up for the world to see
and then cover it up. I don't believe this is he first time either. Agenda? You been talking to the seller, but yes, it's no secret we don't care for each other. Never have, never will.
Sorry folks as most of you know, I don't try and win no popularity contests on here or anywhere. I'm the same on this board and in person.
Believe this..... There are many, and I mean many, folks on here and that read this board that feel the same as I do. I try and hold back on
the bashing, and usually do a good job at it. In closing I will say this..... Some folks will sure do ANYTHING for the almighty dollar.
The party is O....V.....E.....R!!!!
Here's the problem. When a respected seller such as yourself sells stuff like NTC, it lends credibility to these garbage slabbers. If a newb comes along and sees that somebody with your reputation is willing to handle this material they will mistakenly assume the coins are okay.
Russ, NCNE
Did you grade them the same, higher or lower than the holder said?
<< <i>Perhaps I erred when I when I blocked out the slab but I want to be careful the way I word things because I'm not looking for a law suit. >>
You're worried about NTC suing you? They don't have the means, nor do they want the additional publicity about their shoddy grading practices.
<< <i>The truth of the matter is that I would prefer selling only the "big 3" but unfortunately this isn't the perfect world. >>
That's a copout. If you really only want to sell reputable slabs, simply make that part of your consignment policies. The vast majority of your clients will understand that.
Russ, NCNE
And I'll quote myself here
<< <i>Some folks will sure do ANYTHING for the almighty dollar. >>
- Refuse to sell it?
- Sell it as is, with the explanation that you realize it's a less "respected" TPG, and with your own grade? (same or different than the TPG grade).
- Break it out and sell it raw?
- Photograph it as coin only, sell it raw at your grade, and let the receiver decide to break it or not?
Personally, I would think all of these are up-front, honest, and perfectly acceptable.
Poor form... Mr D has 100% positive feedback; numerous return clients and friends who immediately come to his defense when he is unfairly trashed; and pictures with every post...how many ebay sellers can match up?
Why such venom? Perhaps someone remains jealous that Mr D is such a very successful seller, while he is most recognized for trying to trash others?
I am particularly amused at how the criticisms are woven under a veneer of protecting the public by exposing "reprehensible" acts....Experience tells me that self-righteousness and hypocrisy often go hand in hand.
"Portraying yourself to be a savior is easy; living up to that august billing is far more difficult."
rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
<< <i>Good people of the forum I'm sorry I'm late to the party but better late than never I always say. First I will say that I have only charged the 10% restocking fee 2 times in over 4,000 sales and then only because of what I considered extreme abuse (returning over 50% of the items I sold). I have it in my policies only as a deterent to irrational bidding. That said if you check with my customers I give all a complete refund and in some cases when my pictures are at fault I refund their shipping back to me as well.
When it comes to my consignments I try to keep my consignors happy but it some cases I let them know that I do not like to sell certain slabs and please don't send them to me. I know I can't keep eyerone happy but sometimes I end up between a rock and a hard place. My feeling is that by putting coins up without the companies name I am basically selling a raw coin with a third party grading opinion. My feeling is that if you don't know who is giving that opinion it is pretty much worthless. I can't like everything that I put up and anyone that say that they do are just not being realistic. I am by no means trying to fool anyone. Please feel free to call me or email anytime to discuss anything in this thread or just to say hello.
Thank you for listening.
Dick
617/964-6960 >>
Very cool reply. I may stand corrected, if I didn't already say so.
Keith
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<< <i>
<< <i>The truth of the matter is that I would prefer selling only the "big 3" but unfortunately this isn't the perfect world. >>
That's a copout. If you really only want to sell reputable slabs, simply make that part of your consignment policies. The vast majority of your clients will understand that. >>
Or, add a "bottom feeder slab fee" to your consignment fees to pay for getting the coin reholdered. There are many ways around this, and IMHO the seller chose about the worst possible option.
<< <i>Poor form >>
I have no "agenda" I was honest though and mentioned we didn't care for each other. And will add I don't see that changing. If it does, I'm open to that. If that was "poor form" I'm OK with that.
<< <i>Why such venom? Perhaps someone remains jealous that Mr D is such a very successful seller >>
I have no "venom." I will be honest once again. The only venom I have is when Cancer took my wife and we got robbed.
Everything else since then doesn't phase me in the least.
<< <i>Perhaps someone remains jealous that Mr D is such a very successful seller >>
Perhaps "someone" may be jealous, but it's certainly not me. I own and operate my own business (and very successfully I might add)
so I could care less about whether a seller on ebay is successful, or not.
Hope I answered your questions. I might add it took you a while to come to slam me this time. I have a question for you....
Do you consign material to this seller? Please just answer yes or no. Have a safe Holiday season. You too Mr.D.
<< <i>I hope you and yours have a happy holiday season and a prosperous New Year. Furthurmore I hope this is the last of any unecesary negativity or pot stiring directed toward me. Anything that you may have a problem with might be better directed in a PM, Email or a phone call. >>
Well said Dick. I don't think I have ever purchased coins from you but your photography is great and the coins you offer are first class from what I have been able to see.
While I think that stman started this thread in good faith and has not really written anything more than his opinion which I think should be respected, perhaps some of the remarks have been stronger than was really justified and possibly intended.
Can't we all just let things cool off?
Collecting since the 1980's
Morgan Dollars Circ. Strikes
- Basic Set - Varieties - Prooflike Basic Set - Date Set
- Carson City - Early S Mint Short Set - Mintmark Type Set
Morgan Dollars Proof
- Basic Set - Varieties
Peace Circ.
"Yes"...and I do not own a single NTC coin.
rainbowroosie April 1, 2003