So What Grading Company Is This?
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Can't tell if the appearance of toning is PVC residue + black spot at 10:00 + indeterminable cheek rub and dings from photo lighting + (somewhat typical) weak strike + NTC grading + 10% restocking fee + no Paypal = I run away. Fast.
But hack, that's just me
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I purchased a Morgan in a NTC Holder from Dick about six months ago and it was also blocked out...
I asked and Dick dose not like NTC's grading practices and will not advertise there product...
"BlindedByEgo" Great Toning LLC ( Dick ) is a well respected dealer and will treat you right..."-)
Currently Listed: Nothing
Take Care, Dave
<< <i>I purchased a Morgan in a NTC Holder from Dick about six months ago and it was also blocked out...
I asked and Dick dose not like NTC's grading practices and will not advertise there product...
"BlindedByEgo" Great Toning LLC ( Dick ) is a well respected dealer and will treat you right..."-) >>
Does not like NTC's grading practices, but still advertises their grade?
42/92
With the nice photos you have a good idea of what's coming...
Surely... A case of buy the coin not the holder, they can be a diamond in the rough..."-)
I do not agree with the "restocking fee" but to date ( at least 100 coins ) have not had to return a coin...
The PayPal/CC thing I can understand, $5,000 a week @ 3% is $150.00 in C/C Fees..."-(
Or $7,800.00 a year in C/C fees...
Currently Listed: Nothing
Take Care, Dave
<< <i>Surely... A case of buy the coin not the holder >>
if that's the case, then WHY photoshop a portion of the holder out?????? Why not crack the coin out of the holder and sell?
If it's consigned, why accept a coin holdered in such a slab?
It's ok to chastise and bash on people that sell this type of garbage so long as their not a member here? right?
And it's ok to chastise and bash on companies such as DLRC and Heritage for selling 3rd tier slabs...right? I never saw either of those companies photoshop out a portion of the holder when they were selling them.
give me a break.
TorinoCobra71
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<< <i>Surely... A case of buy the coin not the holder >>
if that's the case, then WHY photoshop a portion of the holder out?????? Why not crack the coin out of the holder and sell?
If it's consigned, why accept a coin holdered in such a slab?
It's ok to chastise and bash on people that sell this type of garbage so long as their not a member here? right?
And it's ok to chastise and bash on companies such as DLRC and Heritage for selling 3rd tier slabs...right? I never saw either of those companies photoshop out a portion of the holder when they were selling them.
give me a break. >>
Maybe Mr.D can elaborate if he sees this thread...
Personally I have no problem with dealers that handle coins not in the top two Plastics..."-)
Currently Listed: Nothing
Take Care, Dave
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Dick dose a lot of consignment, got to take the bad with the good I guess..."-) >>
No, you don't.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Dick dose a lot of consignment, got to take the bad with the good I guess..."-)
With the nice photos you have a good idea of what's coming...
Surely... A case of buy the coin not the holder, they can be a diamond in the rough..."-)
I do not agree with the "restocking fee" but to date ( at least 100 coins ) have not had to return a coin...
The PayPal/CC thing I can understand, $5,000 a week @ 3% is $150.00 in C/C Fees..."-(
Or $7,800.00 a year in C/C fees...
I'll take your word for it. I can forgive a lot, and the seller does have a good feedback rating. I've looked at some of his other listings and he seems like a person that I would buy from on Ebay... If I ever bought on Ebay again. Never say never, I guess.
I still think that the impression that I got on first notice, with the Photoshopped slab, is a negative one, and constitutes an error in judgement. And sometimes all it takes is one little thing - for any of us - and heck, I know my reputation here is ALREADY shot... So what the heck... I'm not sorry... Must drink...
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<< <i>The PayPal/CC thing I can understand, $5,000 a week @ 3% is $150.00 in C/C Fees..."-( >>
Ummm, Looks like he can make up for those fees according to this statement made on our very own BST...
<< <i>If you want to pay with PAYPAL than I can use a fellow sellers account for 5% and if any of you buyers want to pay that fee then by all means you can use your paypal account >>
And here is the thread..... PLEASE HELP
<< <i>If you want to pay with PAYPAL than I can use a fellow sellers account for 5% and if any of you buyers want to pay that fee then by all means you can use your paypal account >>
And here is the thread..... PLEASE HELP >>
Wow! 10% restocking fee on a NTC Vancouver MS 65, with starting bid midway from MS64 to MS65 money. No PayPal or credit cards unless one pays an extra 5%.
Sure doesn't make me want to bid.
<< <i>The PayPal/CC thing I can understand, $5,000 a week @ 3% is $150.00 in C/C Fees..."-(
Or $7,800.00 a year in C/C fees... >>
<< <i>No PAYPAL or credit cards accepted. >>
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>The PayPal/CC thing I can understand, $5,000 a week @ 3% is $150.00 in C/C Fees..."-(
Or $7,800.00 a year in C/C fees... >>
<< <i>No PAYPAL or credit cards accepted. >>
Russ, NCNE >>
<< <i> If you want to pay with PAYPAL than I can use a fellow sellers account for 5% and if any of you buyers want to pay that fee then by all means you can use your paypal account >>
And here I thought Paypal charged roughly 3%?
<< <i>isn't it 2.9% plus 30c per transaction? >>
It is 2.9%... but I thought it was 15¢ per transaction...
The attacks on this board are embarrasing. I think Dick has explained most of the questions posed here, but this is quickly turning into a witchunt.
Hey Fatman, you bought from Dick before? No? Perhaps you should keep your opinions to yourself when you have no idea what your talking about. I have purchased from him before, and the coins were at least as good as his pictures.
Somebody get the popcorn.
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<< <i>Hey Fatman, you bought from Dick before? No? Perhaps you should keep your opinions to yourself when you have no idea what your talking about. >>
Edited: My comment here was removed as it was Hadleydog who attacked me as having no idea what I am talking about. Although my post proved Hadleydog wrong, the post was not complimentary to MrD and that was not my intention. I put that particular experience behind me long ago.
<< <i>No popcorn, but a brewskie sounds awsome.
Schweeeet. Halfway between SD and LA - say, Dana Point?
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<< <i>Buy the coin, not the holder.
The attacks on this board are embarrasing. I think Dick has explained most of the questions posed here, but this is quickly turning into a witchunt.
Hey Fatman, you bought from Dick before? No? Perhaps you should keep your opinions to yourself when you have no idea what your talking about. I have purchased from him before, and the coins were at least as good as his pictures. >>
What attacks? Seems to me that Fatman is entitled to his opinion based on his experience.
Seems like you should have first found out first if Fatman had any history with him before accusing him of having no idea of what he is talking about.
<< <i>Dana Point sounds awsome. >>
When's the next Long Beach? We can meet and complain about all the lying, cheating #^$^^&^ Ebay sellers
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What attacks? Seems to me that Fatman is entitled to his opinion based on his experience.
Seems like you should have first found out first if Fatman had any history with him before accusing him of having no idea of what he is talking about.
Again, I do not consider fatmans' picture to have any real color at all. After viewing his photo, I still consider fatman to have no idea as to what he is talking about, although he could added 'in my opinion'.
You don't think there are attacks on these boards? Yea, right, whatever.
I will hold you to this.
Now back to the topic of the thread. I think it is a big negative when a dealer sells NTC slabs.
Seems like someone doesn't appreciate a "well respected member" having his wares and his policies and tactics questioned.
It would be all fun and games if it was some unknown though.....right?
Double standard!!!
I really agree with this- I like Russ' approach in that he refuses to handle any coins in their holders. Too much negative perception comes along for the ride when a dealer starts to handle things like ntc and nnc. As far as greattoning goes, I think I've purchased about 8 or 9 morgans from him in the past. Of the nine, I would say that 8 have been either as good as the pictures, or slightly better. One morgan did not look like the picture enough, but I still liked it enough to keep it. I think that when someone sells a large inventory of toned coins, it can be difficult to image every one as they exactly appear....
Stman grabbing heart... Elizabeth, (I mean Legend Lady
<< <i>Fatman, if you were very disappointed in the coin, why didn`t you return it to Dick? The 2 coins I bought from him were nicer than his pictures and I was very happy. >>
RESTOCKING FEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! uhhh I mean subject to a possible restocking fee
<< <i>Fatman, if you were very disappointed in the coin, why didn`t you return it to Dick? The 2 coins I bought from him were nicer than his pictures and I was very happy. >>
To use another famous word here, it's a "Widget" and not worth the hassle. I don't return coins, I stop buying from the dealer.
<< <i>Now back to the topic of the thread. I think it is a big negative when a dealer sells NTC slabs.
I really agree with this- I like Russ' approach in that he refuses to handle any coins in their holders. >>
Delears like Russ and greattoning can chose whose coins they want to deal in, but if you are representing a grade you need to state who graded it.
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Seems like someone doesn't appreciate a "well respected member" having his wares and his policies and tactics questioned.
I just question whether this is the proper forum to 'discuss' another forum members wares, policies and tactics without trying a pm first. Why not ask Dick yourself? If I had a question for you, especially one that involved your integrity, I would use the pm first. I guess I just feel as forum members we are all part of a large, dysfunctional family
It would be all fun and games if it was some unknown though.....right?
"Double standard!!! "
Ummmm, the last time you saw me involved in a bashing thread was, uh, never?
If you wrote greattoning, or any other seller through the ask a question on fleabay first, and got either no or an unsatisfactory response, well fine. Sling away.
stman would never start a thread to expose a double standard for CU Forum members
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<< <i>"there are no "Attacks" within this thread.
Seems like someone doesn't appreciate a "well respected member" having his wares and his policies and tactics questioned.
I just question whether this is the proper forum to 'discuss' another forum members wares, policies and tactics without trying a pm first. Why not ask Dick yourself? If I had a question for you, especially one that involved your integrity, I would use the pm first. I guess I just feel as forum members we are all part of a large, dysfunctional family
It would be all fun and games if it was some unknown though.....right?
"Double standard!!! "
Ummmm, the last time you saw me involved in a bashing thread was, uh, never?
If you wrote greattoning, or any other seller through the ask a question on fleabay first, and got either no or an unsatisfactory response, well fine. Sling away. >>
I hope that you didn't think that my comments constituted a "bashing"
I know how I feel, I state it, and stand behind it unless otherwise educated.
Forum member or not, my original post expressed my level of discomfort with one particular auction and coin, with no other information in evidence at the time.
And like it or not, I dont care for Fly-By-Night™, Inc. holders, and won't personally buy AND resell them. If the coin is OK, I'll buy it - and set it free.
But that's just me.
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
I have purchased at least 5 coins from Greattoning and sent checks for each. I was and still am very pleased with each and everyone and they were all toners with accurate pictures and descriptions. It not my job nor anyone else's on these boards to decide which coins he should or should not sell........quite asinine to assume as much in my opinion. If you don't like his fee structure or what he is selling by all means walk away and spend your hard earned cash elsewhere....no one can fault you there.
As for Fatman's issue with the coin he purchased.......he has the coin in hand and his opinion is all that maters since it's his coin. What I see from the two scans is one is a color shot (Greattonings) and Fatman's is a luster shot.....there is no way the two would ever look the same because most of us can't accurately capture color and luster in the same shot....typically just one or the other.
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<< <i>Surely... A case of buy the coin not the holder >>
if that's the case, then WHY photoshop a portion of the holder out?????? Why not crack the coin out of the holder and sell?
If it's consigned, why accept a coin holdered in such a slab?
It's ok to chastise and bash on people that sell this type of garbage so long as their not a member here? right?
And it's ok to chastise and bash on companies such as DLRC and Heritage for selling 3rd tier slabs...right? I never saw either of those companies photoshop out a portion of the holder when they were selling them.
give me a break. >>
i could not have said it better
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