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OH MY GOD I NEED EVERY ONE TO LOOK AT THIS !!!! FRIGGIN CROOK !!
gil
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Now I do not participate in Coin Vault or believe in any of their products. a friend pointe dout this coin and said why is this 1878 morgan 3,299.00 ?? I said huh ? I went to the web site and sure as I'm breathing.it lists this 1878 morgan. the description is a vf 20. The slab says 1878s ms63 for lists for $450.00 and a vf coin lists for $25.00. they said they they have to have a markup. I asked for a manager he put me on hold and said the manager refuses to take the call and I have the choice to buy the coin or not. He also said that if you dont know about coins thats great for them. I asked for the hosts email robert chambers. refused to give it to me.
heres the link. I know their prices suck but this is ridiculous !!! I M SOO PISSED RIGHT NOW THAT THEY HAVE DONE THIS. I AM EMAILING RCHAMBER@SATH.COM.
crook
heres the link. I know their prices suck but this is ridiculous !!! I M SOO PISSED RIGHT NOW THAT THEY HAVE DONE THIS. I AM EMAILING RCHAMBER@SATH.COM.
crook
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Don't stroke out on us.........
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
Well, they can post crap like that up there, hey were are the gung ho lawyers out there....sick em ...
and I don't see threads about them for some reason. Sorry, I forgot.... they are well, "forum members"
and they are nice, and entitled to ask whatever they want. Sorry, just thinking out loud again.
Dear Mr. Chambers,
I have been watching your show for sometime learning and gaining confidence before I dive in to make a large purchase. I am afraid that after tonights experience I will not be purchasing any of your products and will reccomend to all I know that they do the same. I will relay to you what happened tonight. A friend pointed out this coin and said why is this 1878 morgan. Item # 70016234 3,299.00 ?? I said huh ? I went to the web site and sure as I'm breathing.it lists this 1878 morgan. the description is a vf 20. The slab says 1878s ms63 that lists for $450.00 and a vf coin lists for $25.00.I called the customer service line and asked for a clarification.I spoke to a Customer Service Rep. named Marcus. this is the respone I received. " They said they they have to have a markup". Now Mr. Chambers I am all for a markup and after speaking to some more educated folks in the hobby than myself and getting some updated publications like "Coin Values" "Coinage" and the old red book. I am becoming aware that the general markup is more often than not double the list price. I then asked for a manager. Marcus put me on hold and said the manager refuses to take the call and I have the choice to buy the coin or not. He also said that if you dont know about coins thats great for them. I asked for the hosts email robert chambers. refused to give it to me.I t was after insisting profusely for his managers name that would not take the call and your email address. He finally relented. His managers name is "Jeff" I had to pry his last name out of Marcus. said it was Greer.
Like I said a markup is fine but to attempt to sell a vf20 coin that curerently lists at $25.00 or to give you the benifit a ms63 1878s listed on the slab lists at $450.00 that more than a markup thats robbery. if this is the genreral practice you should be embarrassed and ashamed.
Thank you for listening.
Gil Gardner
No problem here.
Tom
<< <i> I went to the web site and sure as I'm breathing.it lists this 1878 morgan. >>
You keep going to the web site so I wonder if any of the oxygen you are breathing is reaching your brain. Please stop wasting our time with this drivel. If you don't think SAH has been hashed out here enough, you might want to do a search. Two Shop at Home posts in one day. Don't you just maybe think it's a bit too much.
I would maintain that it is fraud, that it is a violation of ANA guidelines, and terrible for the hobby.
I'm going to write a quick letter to the editor of Numismatic News. It's pretty disgusting stuff.
Gil, you didn't have to type in all caps to stir me to action.
<< <i>Many forum members will bend over backward to report a fraudulent eBay auction, yet these types of Coin Vault shenanigans don't bother them at all. I would assume it's because they don't view it as fraud.
The price $3299.95 should be for the 1800 bust dollar, listed separately, graded NGC VF-20, priced exactly the same. The Morgan dollar isn't even the right condition.
It seems a simple mistake, shame customer support was not able to resolve or acknowledge the error.
People who buy coins from TV are lazy and deserve to pay their markup for their effort of spoonfeeding. If it weren't for the ignorant and lazy it would be much tougher to make a good living....
-RG
<< <i>Many forum members will bend over backward to report a fraudulent eBay auction, yet these types of Coin Vault shenanigans don't bother them at all. I would assume it's because they don't view it as fraud. >>
Just in case this comment is directed to me, let me clarify my position.
First, this is the second post of the day from gil concerning coins on the SATH website. Yeah, we know, SATH prices suck. And what they are doing is not good for the hobby that I love. But I'm afraid two posts on the US Coin Forum in the same day by the same poster is innappropriate. He could have added these concerns to his previous post. gil has made many coin buying mistakes in the past and has been given the same advice over and over again, yet instead of learning about coins through books, good coin websites, and the expert advice of those on the forums he seems to be spending a lot of time on the SATH website. Looks like he is more interested in teaching us what we already know than teaching himself about coins. Hey gil, here's some websites for you to surf instead of SATH.
ANR
Coinsite.com
CoinGrading.com
Heritage Auction Archives
Southern Gold Society
Second: this coin listing is a typo. Clearly there is a problem with the listing as the title does not match the image and neither match the price, even in the SATH pricing world. Again, SATH prices suck, but this is just an error.
Third: As digusting as their pricing structure may be, yelling fraud is simply wrong. SATH sells coins graded by the two top tier TPGs only. And they are quite conservative with their grading ranges in their descriptions when it comes to raw coins. As such, I have no issue with the coins they sell. When a customer at SATH receive their coins, they will be exactly as described. Again, their prices suck but that is not a crime. There are at times some close calls when thier carnival barkers get going on the TV. But they are pretty well trained not to cross the line into deception.
Now for the Ebay comparison: I feel more bandwidth is wasted on this forum over ebay threads than any other. 70% of them have little to no place on this forum in my opinion. But unlike SATH, ebay is rampant with Fraud. On ebay you have sellers listing coins they do not own, listing coins as NT that are AT, listing problem coins as problem free, counterfiets, etc. These activities are fraud. This is entirely different than what SATH does. Heck, SATH has a 30 day return policy and sends you the return labels with the order. The difference is that with ebay, collectors are not getting what is advertised, and that is much more harmful to the hobby I love than what is going on at SATH.
Now before many of you take that previous sentence out of context let me reiterate that IMO SATH is not good for our hobby and newcomers need to be exposed to the fact. But screaming over a typo is not the way to do it.
As another member pointed out it may have been for a 1800 bust coin. Too bad Customer service didn't apologize and correct the issue, they had to be ignorant and insult the "customer" by telling them that if people don't know about coins its all the better for them. Too bad they don't realize the "ignorant uneducated customer" is what keeps there doors open. I apologize if anyone feels that 2 posts on the same subject ended up here today. if you look at the timeline I did not know about this one until the evening the 1st was posted this morning.
and lastly This was not directed at anyone nor should it be taken as personal or any other kind of attack, even though there were some "digs" hurled at me in the last post, I was not being personal;. Besides that's kind of hard to do if you do not know the person isn't it ?.
I'm done deabting this....I started out trying to inform and share and its turning into an ugly thing... I can see the popcorn thing already.
<< <i>That is truely disgusting. >>
Now, now, I'm sure he means well
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Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
RYK is exactly right- You're flaming out unnecessarily. All you're doing now is amusing some and irritating many others......