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When to use MS70 coin cleaning solution

Yeah, lots of smart remarks can be said about the title... all the hot buttons... coin cleaning, ms70... I get it!

Seriously, I thought I knew the few instances when MS70 would help, but I didn't improve my defenseless morgan dollar today.

I use it very rarely when there is serious grime on a high-end AU or MS coin that absolutely has to come off. In my experience if you use it on a low-end circ, the coin screams cleaned in my experience. Today I had an AU-58 1921-P VAM that had absolute crud in several small and isolated places. Very obvious and very distracting. Acetone didn't work so I tried to spot clean the crud with MS70. The coin had a golden patina where the gunk didn't hide it... before I tried the MS70. The crud came off but the area near the crud lost its "toning" (was it toning if MS70 took it off?) and went white. I then had to do the whole coin rather than just target the spot I wanted to remove. Guess what? Under the nice patina were nasty hairlines (I definitely didn't inflict them applying the MS70). I now have an almost bright-white, obviously hairlined, screaming cleaned coin. Gosh. Glad this wasn't an irreplaceable VAM, but it was one that would have been a nice specimin if the gunk could have come off without changing any other appearance!

My passion for 1921 VAMs often leads me to coins that have had a very hard life. Lots of stuff with incredibly ugly foreign substances. I do need to remove crud at times so this could be a nice tool at the appropriate time.

When has MS70 worked for you? When has it turned out badly like this experience? Appreciate any education you can pass on!

Rob
Rob Joyce - Dollar Variety / VAM Collector
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Comments

  • I haven't even bought it yet but I plan on using it on a proof SBA and a proof Commemorative for my Dansco Type album, both coins should be at least a cam and maybe a dcam but there's quite a bit of haze on them. I hope it comes out better than yours.

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  • 1jester1jester Posts: 8,637 ✭✭✭
    MS70 has helped in some cases for me when the coin is uncirculated and has stains that acetone won't take off. As you mentioned, any circulated coin looks cleaned afterwards.

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  • MS70 does a nice job on MS coins such as moderns that have spots from poor mint washings from the rinse process. This is seen on many state quarters. I have tried MS70 on a couple of proof coins and it seems to add hairlines to the coin surfaces. I think that dipping coins in MS70 is superior to applying with a cue-tip or other such application methods.
    Gary
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  • Let this be a lesson to you. If you have a toned coin with gunk around the small devices (letters, stars etc), it is almost a certainty that if you remove the gunk you find that the toning does NOT extend below the gunk.
  • carlcarl Posts: 2,054
    Never used MS70 and not even sure where to buy the stuff. I don't know why the big fuss about cleaned coins anyway. If the coin is in my collection and I don't intend to sell it I can't see what difference it makes where, when, how it was cleaned and what was used to clean the thing. I use this jar of jewel cleaning stuff on any coin that looks dirty. I would like to try that MS70 some day just to see what it dose so different than Acetone or a baking soda solution. Naturally if your so worried about the effects on a coin, just don't use anything. If the coin is for your own collection and you have no intent to sell, try anything to clean it. If it fails just say oh well, maybe next time and don't let all the cleaning hipe bother you.
    I've even tried battery acid and it works great on Lincoln cents.
    Carl


  • << <i>I've even tried battery acid and it works great on Lincoln cents. >>




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  • capecape Posts: 1,621
    ms 70 on buffalo nickels seems to do a decent job, you have to be sure the coin isnt dirty under the patina, if you put a little on it shoudnt change the color ,but it truly can luster the coin up, ive had reasonable success.
    ed rodrigues
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,143 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some of the coins that I've seen that have been worked on with MS-70 look like they were minted yesterday, and that's no always a good thing. I tend to avoid the stuff.
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  • Carl, I take it you are immortal? If not, some day those coins you are cleaning WILL be sold which means that some future collector will wonder why someone cleaned this nice coin. Do you buy harshly cleaned coins? And why are there so many cleaned coins out there? Why? Because too many people have felt "I don't plan on selling it and it is mine, so I can do what I want to it." We do not truly own our coins. We are merely their caretakers, charged with their preservation for the enjoyment of future collectors.
  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 12,072 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<I've even tried battery acid and it works great on Lincoln cents. >>

    Where the heck do you buy battery acid.image As conder101 said unless you plan to be burried with your coins thay will someday belong to someone else.

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  • MS70 is a heavy detergent/organic solvent so it will remove gunk, films, oils, etc. It is not a dip and should be rinsed thuroghly after use. I use it when acetone won't quite get it. It iwll dissolve your hands, after all they are organic. If it removed the toning on your morgan it was not acually toning but a film/haze. MS70 won't react with the metal. I really like it for mint set cello haze removal.

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