Raw 1807 half dollar... grade and variety opinions?

fivecents · September 23, 2005 8:48AM

I posted this same coin a week ago. I think these new pictures show the coin a little better.

lordmarcovan · September 23, 2005 8:51AM

I'll go EF45.

She needs a dip, but I would be scared to do it.

Looks like an NCS candidate to me.

Conserved or as-is, it's a helluva nice coin.

DNADave · September 23, 2005 8:53AM

Here's a nice 03 on the bay of e.

edited to add: I can't tell what's going on below the neck.

coinkat · September 23, 2005 9:25AM

high end 35 possible 40

OnlyBuffalos · September 23, 2005 9:27AM

That is a very attractive 1807 Overton 105. PCGS is somewhat brutal on these and they might BB it for the rim ding above LIB. I think PCGS could go XF40 or XF45 but don't be surprised by a VF35. It is a lock XF40 or better at NGC.

Nice find.

rhedden · September 23, 2005 9:37AM

Looks original from the pic, and I think PCGS would forgive the tiny rim bump, perhaps knocking the grade down by 5 points rather than bodybagging it. I think it will VF-35 at PCGS because E PLURIBUS UNUM isn't as bold on the reverse as you would like on an EF-40, but I could be wrong.

TomB · September 23, 2005 9:38AM

I don't believe there is any "conservation" work that could possibly improve that coin. Appreciate it for what it is and you will realize what you have.

fivecents · September 23, 2005 9:47AM

I paid $725 which is basically XF money for the coin. I graded it as a XF40.

The stain on the face is barely noticable, the image really inhances it. I really like the overall look and color of this coin and would never dip a bustie.

The hit above "liberty" doesn't worry me at all and won't cause a BB at the TPGS. imo

coinkat · September 23, 2005 9:52AM

I would submit that coin...

fivecents · September 23, 2005 10:06AM

I plan on submitting it.

I believe this coin has some sort of striking issues. The center of the main devices, especially on the obverse are extremely weak, but the denticiles, stars and all of the lettering is super strong. Even the outer areas of the main devices have great detail.

TomB · September 23, 2005 10:08AM

Most 1807 DBHE halves were struck with the issues that you mention. This is quite common.

stman · September 23, 2005 10:11AM

I don't know if PCGS would bag yours for the rim ding or not. I believe if they feel it's a nice original toned coin they give some
slack. I think it's a decent coin, but I don't feel it's completely original. Then we get into what's "completely" original.

My first thought upon viewing your image was XF-40. Don't know if you're interested but here is my O-105a model.
I'm not saying it compares to your coin but thought I'd post it. PCGS says.... VF-25 on mine.

jdimmick · September 23, 2005 10:16AM

Nice half, I think solidly PCGS-40, if not a 45. I like the look as it is, dont screw with it.

Myqqy · September 23, 2005 3:09PM

I think it's a decent coin, but I don't feel it's completely original.

fivecents · September 23, 2005 7:33PM

stman...Nice bustie.

I like the deep original color of your coin. My half may have been cleaned long ago, but has retoned to a real nice light dove grey color.
The greysheet price is $260 in VF and jumps to $850 in XF. I really need this coin to XF at the TPGS.

BillJones · September 23, 2005 9:44PM

It's a solid EF coin that was cleaned years ago. I'm not sure that you would be happy with the results of a dip. I'd leave it alone.

The sharpness grade is EF-45. I'd net it to EF-40.

Most of these 1807 half dollars were softly struck from shallow dies. The hair details as well as the "E Pluribus Unium" on the reverser were not much sharper when this coin was Mint State. I think that the mint was doning this to conserve the dies. You will sell see sharply struck 1807 half dollars now and then, but they are unusual.

BigD5 · September 24, 2005 3:14AM

That's an xf all day. The rim ding won't hinder grading on the coin either. Sure it's been cleaned eons ago, but it doesn't look harsh in the least bit, and I think you found yourself a very nice coin.

Heck, if it comes back in an xf/45 holder, I wouldn't be surprised one bit, although the images don't lead me to think the coin has enough "pop" to grab the extra 5 points.

And don't even consider "dipping" this coin.

mozin · September 24, 2005 6:39AM

<< <i>That is a very attractive 1807 Overton 105. PCGS is somewhat brutal on these and they might BB it for the rim ding above LIB. I think PCGS could go XF40 or XF45 but don't be surprised by a VF35. It is a lock XF40 or better at NGC.

Nice find. >>

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Raw 1807 half dollar... grade and variety opinions?

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