If the "other" guy that uses your laptop to bid on your items, and list things that he's bought from you on your laptop is a board member..... Rules here say it's OK.
Please... Save The Stories, Just Answer My Questions, And Tell Me How Much!!!!!
I can't help but to add my 2 cents worth on this bizzar story. I don't personally know anyone on these boards but having lurked for close too 2 years and I feel as I have a pretty good idea of who and what a person character and style is. Sorry I haven't posted a whole lot but I haven't learned near enough yet to form an educated opinion on many topics that have been posted here so don't hold that against me Russ. I'm getting very close though. My first submission will on its way in a month or so and we'll see how I've done. Marty, I feel your pain. I don't think you have knowingly done anything unethical. But working for the #1 oil company I have learned that ethics aren't always what they may seem to be on the surface. Hopefully they will look at "your intent". With that said; I am in your corner. I hope for the best. The only ones that get hurt are those they seek the quality merchandise that you offer. I can not beleive that there are "some" that feel that you would knowingly participate in these accusations. I bid against the same guys all the time chasing my modern crap half dollars. I have bid (and won) many coins from fellow board members here and never cried over sour grapes if I didn't win. I'm sure no one would even know who I am but if you checked I guess it could be assumed that I was thrying to bid things up for a fellow board member. I also doubt that you would even need somebody to shill bid on your coins to realize more income. I don't perceive you as doing it for the money. It's more about the chase for you that gives you the excitement. You have beat me on more than 1 occasion on a proof set that I really wanted; so that told me that I am doing something right. Good luck and I hope everything comes out in your favor. Every "DOG" has his day
<< <i>If the "other" guy that uses your laptop to bid on your items, and list things that he's bought from you on your laptop is a board member..... Rules here say it's OK. >>
I never said he listed any items from my laptop. All he did was bid on them.
It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!
<< <i>What a lot of people don't understand is that I am not a coin dealer, I'm not even a WANNABE dealer. I just buy and sell coins to pay for my darkside habit.... >>
Damned Darksider! You deserve everything coming to you, you miserable excuse for a coin collector!!
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Shhhhh, don't tell them... EVERYONE the Darkside SUCKS!!! >>
I guess me and one of my dealers could get NARU'd also. I went into his shop one Friday morning looking for a certain year proof set. He only had one, but it was on ebay and the auction was ending in a few minutes. So, I logged in on his computer and bid and won!
I just have one question related to forum members bidding on each others auctions.
You can look back in the archives here and read tons of posts where allot of forum regulars state that thier preferred method of bidding on eBay is via "sniping".
If a forum member really wants one of Marty's or another forum member's coins, couldn't he just PM him or snipe the auction ? Why would he toss a bid in days before the auction closes ?
Marty is a criminal and deserves his punishment. After all, ebay says so. It must be true. All you people buying into his sob story just don't know the man as well as ebay does. He is guilty, guilty, guilty! Its about time ebay cleaned up all these problem sellers.
<<Marty is a criminal and deserves his punishment. After all, ebay says so. It must be true. All you people buying into his sob story just don't know the man as well as ebay does. He is guilty, guilty, guilty! Its about time ebay cleaned up all these problem sellers.>>
Do you actually mean this or is there supposed to be a at the end?
Sorry this happened, Marty - it's got to be very frustrating.
Shill bidding is the biggest problem on ebay other than outright fraud (i.e. taking the money and not delivering), and it's good to know that they take this seriously, but in a case like this they should launch an investigation and gather more facts before pressing the NARU button.
For all the crap that eBay allows to continue right under their noses, even when it is pointed out to them....to do this to Mad Marty is a CROCK! I really hope they come to their senses and let you back!
while everyone has been tripping over themselves to defend the MadMan, has anyone wondered why someone, a friend, would be using Marty's notebook, while they're at Starbucks together, and then legitimately bidding on a piece that he could buy outright from the guy sitting across the table...probably cheaper without the fees and shipping too.........................i mean really, what's the essence of shilling?? isn't it attempting to raise the price to benefit the seller?? while Marty may be a good guy and friend to many of us, i think it's important to keep things in perspective. ol' Jerry may have indeed been a legitimate buyer in the past and in the future, but this whole thing shakes out as suspicious to me, especially if Jerry only bid on Marty's auctions as has been inferred by another member.
remember Marty, i still like ya', but c'mon already. give up the severe case of victim-itis already. it doesn't fit you well.
I have a question. Did this guy Jerry WIN these auctions that he bid on from Marty's laptop, or did he lose those auctions and left a net result of someone else paying a much higher price for the win?
<< <i>Next I'm waiting for the call from PayPal wondering why there hasn't been any activity on my account!!! >>
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<< <i>while everyone has been tripping over themselves to defend the MadMan, has anyone wondered why someone, a friend, would be using Marty's notebook, while they're at Starbucks together >>
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If I only had a dollar for every VAM I have...err...nevermind...I do!!
<< <i>I have a question. Did this guy Jerry WIN these auctions that he bid on from Marty's laptop, or did he lose those auctions and left a net result of someone else paying a much higher price for the win? >>
He won two of the auctions and has already paid and has received the coins. He did get two very nice NGC PF* Washingtons at a super price.
It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!
<< <i>why doesn't he just buy the stuff outright, Marty?? it would save the fee and shipping charges. >>
Because, then it wouldn't be an auction would it! Besides, maybe there are other people who would like to buy it (in this case there were not), but if I sold everything at lowball prices it wouldn't be worth submitting would it?
It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!
<< <i>I have a question. Did this guy Jerry WIN these auctions that he bid on from Marty's laptop, or did he lose those auctions and left a net result of someone else paying a much higher price for the win? >>
He won two of the auctions and has already paid and has received the coins. He did get two very nice NGC PF* Washingtons at a super price. >>
Thanks Marty- the way I see it, there is no question then about this issue. Let EBay go thru the motions to make themselves feel like they are doing something, but in the end, this will be resolved and you will get an apology. This will be a lesson that many will learn from. I feel really bad that you have to go thru this mess. Your rep here is, and always has been, 100% and I would think that your rep on EBAY will be the same.
if you play you gotta pay. go ahead and post that you've never done anything that breaks the eBay shill rules and i'll let you off the hook easily. i think we both know that isn't so. you got caught this time and even if you weren't doing anything wrong, it just makes up for all the times you have. crocodile tears notwithstanding, just sit out of the game for a month, rethink you're strategy and come back refreshed. they caught you this time. it isn't like your the only forum member who does shady stuff at eBay, it's common enough to be passe.
<< <i>Liteside rules!!! US coins rule!!! Darkside sucks!!!
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Oy! I heard that... >>
Trying to keep the prices down until the floodgates break and the Litesiders eventually find out what they've been missing all along....OOPS.....actually, DARKSIDE SUCKS!!! Stay far away!!!!
.....GOD
"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." -Luke 11:9
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." -Deut. 6:4-5
"For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us." -Isaiah 33:22
<< <i>if you play you gotta pay. go ahead and post that you've never done anything that breaks the eBay shill rules and i'll let you off the hook easily. i think we both know that isn't so. you got caught this time and even if you weren't doing anything wrong, it just makes up for all the times you have. crocodile tears notwithstanding, just sit out of the game for a month, rethink you're strategy and come back refreshed. they caught you this time. it isn't like your the only forum member who does shady stuff at eBay, it's common enough to be passe. >>
Keets, when have you ever let anyone off at all, much less easily??
.....GOD
"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." -Luke 11:9
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." -Deut. 6:4-5
"For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us." -Isaiah 33:22
<< <i>Marty is a total stand up guy and really does help many people here. >>
And this relates how?
<< <i>while everyone has been tripping over themselves to defend the MadMan >>
Heh, although we don't know the outcome of the situation..... and although he's a "Respectable" member of this forum..... (and I admit perhaps deserves the benefit of doubt to many) if this was a new member or an "Outsider" with all these "Mistakes" made? And coincidences? So many things around here seem to be OK when it's in the "inner circle" it's actually quite nauseating.
BTW Keets, no "Tripping" on my part. TRIPPIN perhaps.
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for what it's worth, i don't think anyone's getting on me. GEEZ, in a week or two this whole thing will be forgotten and life will be back to normal, or as normal as it gets here.
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<< <i>MM just list your coins in the BST boards here; we will buy them! >>
But the prices are much better on E-bay!!!
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laptop is a board member..... Rules here say it's OK.
Marty, I feel your pain. I don't think you have knowingly done anything unethical. But working for the #1 oil company I have learned that ethics aren't always what they may seem to be on the surface. Hopefully they will look at "your intent". With that said; I am in your corner. I hope for the best. The only ones that get hurt are those they seek the quality merchandise that you offer.
I can not beleive that there are "some" that feel that you would knowingly participate in these accusations. I bid against the same guys all the time chasing my modern crap half dollars. I have bid (and won) many coins from fellow board members here and never cried over sour grapes if I didn't win. I'm sure no one would even know who I am but if you checked I guess it could be assumed that I was thrying to bid things up for a fellow board member.
I also doubt that you would even need somebody to shill bid on your coins to realize more income. I don't perceive you as doing it for the money
Good luck and I hope everything comes out in your favor. Every "DOG" has his day
Steve
<< <i>If the "other" guy that uses your laptop to bid on your items, and list things that he's bought from you on your
laptop is a board member..... Rules here say it's OK.
I never said he listed any items from my laptop. All he did was bid on them.
<< <i>OK, my bad. >>
Evil STman!!!
PURPLE!
Russ is selling stamps.
Don has money to spend again.
I can't bid on any of Marty's auctions.
Next, someone's gonna tell me Kennedy's been replaced on the half by Millard Filmore.
Joe
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
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<< <i>OK, my bad. >>
Evil STman!!!
That was my way of saying I misunderstood part of what happened.
Not quite, but I hear that Teddy Kennedy is in line to someday replace his brother on the Kennedy half.
<< <i>Next, someone's gonna tell me Kennedy's been replaced on the half by Millard Filmore.
Not quite, but I hear that Teddy Kennedy is in line to someday replace his brother on the Kennedy half. >>
You're gonna need something bigger than a half dollar!
Joe
<< <i>I'm starting to get the feeling that "oilydog" is IWOG's alt !!!!!!!!!
I'm getting the feeling that there are more than one asshole involved in this poke at marty!
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<< <i>What a lot of people don't understand is that I am not a coin dealer, I'm not even a WANNABE dealer. I just buy and sell coins to pay for my darkside habit.... >>
Damned Darksider! You deserve everything coming to you, you miserable excuse for a coin collector!!
Shhhhh, don't tell them... EVERYONE the Darkside SUCKS!!! >>
Does that make things wrong??
I just have one question related to forum members bidding on each others auctions.
You can look back in the archives here and read tons of posts where allot of forum regulars state that thier preferred method of bidding on eBay is via "sniping".
If a forum member really wants one of Marty's or another forum member's coins, couldn't he just PM him or snipe the auction ? Why would he toss a bid in days before the auction closes ?
They call me "Pack the Ripper"
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Do you actually mean this or is there supposed to be a
Doug
Shill bidding is the biggest problem on ebay other than outright fraud (i.e. taking the money
and not delivering), and it's good to know that they take this seriously, but in a case like this
they should launch an investigation and gather more facts before pressing the NARU button.
Martin stepped on his u know what and no-body got hurt except him.
Totally innocent error on his part, "No Brainer,i wassnt thinking,the thought never even occured to me"
Marty is a total stand up guy and really does help many people here.
Punish him ? sure !, slap his Dong coin and fuhgeddaboutit !
Im thinking a 15 minute Narue is plenty !
100proof1957 aka 57cameonut
Oh BTW Oilydog can KMA
I bet 57cameonut will appear shortly to back you up on that
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Wanna argue our point ?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
out to them....to do this to Mad Marty is a CROCK!
I really hope they come to their senses and let you back!
Brian
I don't know anything about shill bidding or this case.
I DO know that I have been the winning bidder twice, recently, with Mad Marty.
I WAS HAPPY WITH THE COINS AND HAPPY WITH THE PRICE.......hope you get back ASAP.
remember Marty, i still like ya', but c'mon already. give up the severe case of victim-itis already. it doesn't fit you well.
<< <i>Next I'm waiting for the call from PayPal wondering why there hasn't been any activity on my account!!! >>
<< <i>while everyone has been tripping over themselves to defend the MadMan, has anyone wondered why someone, a friend, would be using Marty's notebook, while they're at Starbucks together >>
If I only had a dollar for every VAM I have...err...nevermind...I do!!
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<< <i>I have a question. Did this guy Jerry WIN these auctions that he bid on from Marty's laptop, or did he lose those auctions and left a net result of someone else paying a much higher price for the win? >>
He won two of the auctions and has already paid and has received the coins. He did get two very nice NGC PF* Washingtons at a super price.
<< <i>why doesn't he just buy the stuff outright, Marty?? it would save the fee and shipping charges.
Because, then it wouldn't be an auction would it! Besides, maybe there are other people who would like to buy it (in this case there were not), but if I sold everything at lowball prices it wouldn't be worth submitting would it?
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<< <i>I have a question. Did this guy Jerry WIN these auctions that he bid on from Marty's laptop, or did he lose those auctions and left a net result of someone else paying a much higher price for the win? >>
He won two of the auctions and has already paid and has received the coins. He did get two very nice NGC PF* Washingtons at a super price. >>
Thanks Marty- the way I see it, there is no question then about this issue. Let EBay go thru the motions to make themselves feel like they are doing something, but in the end, this will be resolved and you will get an apology. This will be a lesson that many will learn from. I feel really bad that you have to go thru this mess. Your rep here is, and always has been, 100% and I would think that your rep on EBAY will be the same.
<< <i>Liteside rules!!! US coins rule!!! Darkside sucks!!!
Oy! I heard that...
<< <i>
<< <i>Liteside rules!!! US coins rule!!! Darkside sucks!!!
Oy! I heard that... >>
Trying to keep the prices down until the floodgates break and the Litesiders eventually find out what they've been missing all along....OOPS.....actually, DARKSIDE SUCKS!!! Stay far away!!!!
"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." -Luke 11:9
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." -Deut. 6:4-5
"For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us." -Isaiah 33:22
<< <i>if you play you gotta pay. go ahead and post that you've never done anything that breaks the eBay shill rules and i'll let you off the hook easily. i think we both know that isn't so. you got caught this time and even if you weren't doing anything wrong, it just makes up for all the times you have. crocodile tears notwithstanding, just sit out of the game for a month, rethink you're strategy and come back refreshed. they caught you this time. it isn't like your the only forum member who does shady stuff at eBay, it's common enough to be passe. >>
Keets, when have you ever let anyone off at all, much less easily??
"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." -Luke 11:9
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." -Deut. 6:4-5
"For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us." -Isaiah 33:22
<< <i>Keets, when have you ever let anyone off at all, much less easily?? >>
C'mon now...lighten up...even windbag bagheads are good for something!!
If I only had a dollar for every VAM I have...err...nevermind...I do!!
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but if I sold everything at lowball prices it wouldn't be worth submitting would it?
Why are we getting on Keets for speaking his mind ? He's basically stated the facts in a straightforward manner.
No one is saying that Marty is not worthy of his "Circle of Trust" status. He just made a boo boo and got caught.
Sh_t happens.....
They call me "Pack the Ripper"
<< <i>Marty is a total stand up guy and really does help many people here. >>
And this relates how?
<< <i>while everyone has been tripping over themselves to defend the MadMan >>
Heh, although we don't know the outcome of the situation..... and although he's a "Respectable" member of this forum.....
(and I admit perhaps deserves the benefit of doubt to many) if this was a new member or an "Outsider" with all these
"Mistakes" made? And coincidences? So many things around here seem to be OK when it's in the "inner circle" it's actually quite
nauseating.
BTW Keets, no "Tripping" on my part. TRIPPIN perhaps.
for what it's worth, i don't think anyone's getting on me.