WTS (wanting to steal) esoteric emoticons for coin forum, plus bonus coin image!

pharmer · September 10, 2005 3:41PM

A while back someone used a hilarious emoticon that had the smiley sticking out it's tongue with its thumbs in its ears and wiggling its fingers, the universal sign of respect. I want to steal it for future use. Anyone got others that are seldom seen but never forgotten? WTS those too. And now, for something completely coin related, a man with two, I mean a coin with two sides

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There has been much writen about CAC (with a lot of negativity) however due to an early leak about the venture, most of the information is false. We ask that you wait either until more information from CAC is released, or until CAC starts working, that you reserve your opinion. Take our word onthis, CAC is totally comitted to bettering the numismatic marketplace and helping the consumer.

Yes, Legend will be a stockholder in the Collectors Acceptance Corporation. CAC's main goal is to sticker coins that are accurate for the grade and then make markets in them. The TPG's have run wild for the past several years and a few us got sick and tired of them grading like trash. There were doctored coins in holders, overgraded, and just plain ugly coins that were being passed off as solid. Thanks to CAC the lying will not stop. We do not expect to completely stop coin doctors, but we will put a serious dent in their business. The grading services are already reacting.

NGC is aggressively buying back coins and certainly has been very tough on grading. PCGS of course is pretty much body bagging everything out of fear (while publically denying there is no problem). All this is bad for some dealers, but in the end it will create a stronger market for collectors.

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When DorkKarl, FC, Pharmer and I all agree, there is something very wrong. To me that says everything CAC! >>

Add Saintguru to this as well!

When all those on these boards who are often at odds agree, something is definitely wrong! >>

I have never said they shouldn't do it. From the beginning, with ryk's introducing-the-venture threads, I've maintained they should go for it if they wish. I can find those posts, if you wish, and if the threads still exist. It's a free marketplace of ideas and they should be allowed to pass or fail in that arena. I think the arena will give them the latter grade eventually.

My objections have been to the way it's been rolled out, using members not of the venture to provide the exciting details and make claims that when push comes to shove can be disavowed by the principals as erroreous-we-didn't-say-that-where-did-you-hear-that? This has already occurred, as on Saturday it was noted that close to 100% of coins were getting the sticker at that show, and when someone mentioned that 20% were said to be eligible when this all broke, and the one principal-investor left (for now) on this forum said "where did you hear that?" complete with laughing face icon. Well, we all heard it here, that's where, and he knows that, and it was never corrected by that insider any time it was mentioned.

Now my objection is to this defacing, adulterating red patch that obliterates the PCGS logo and hologram and uses PCGS's own slab to convey prominence of it's brand over PCGS'.

So to be clear, I say let them try to foist this on the coin collecting community. I believe in free markets and capitalism, kill or be killed in the unobstructed flow of ideas and money. May the best man win. I just think they will lose. Big time. None of my coins will be submitted, they are just fine right now, and I would prefer to use the $20 bill to light my cigar rather than give it to them. At least it will have served some useful purpose.

And one last thing that has occurred to me repeatedly over this interesting three days. Can't help but wonder what the reaction of the coin collecting community would be right now if word had never been intentionally leaked about this here three months ago. Might have caused some excitement now, maybe gotten a better reception. But we had three months to tear it apart (market research) and then completely space it out for weeks at a time. So it's ironic that it's both a yawner and an obvious in-your-face to PCGS and can be clearly seen as such, and thus dismissed. I think the self-important forum members who rushed in here to break the news inadvertently doomed the thing from the start, precisely the opposite of what they thought would happen.