Cuds
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The first coin is an 1806/inv6 O.111"b" terminal die state with very rare double cuds, probably R.6 in this die state.
The next coin is 1795 O.103a, the largest cud in the Flowing Hair half dollar series, an R.5 die marriage and possibly R.6 with the cud.
There are 12 full rim cuds found on half dollars from 1794-1806, eleven of these are on the reverse. All of these cuds originated from emerging stress die cracks that progressed until a piece of the die fell out. The reverse die was probably the hammer die, as most obverse cuds are retained cuds on 1794-1806 halves - the cracked die piece could not fall out of the anvil die as easily.
I am not aware of any full rim cuds in the 1807-1836 CBHLE series, as the forging, hardening, and tempering of working dies improved during this period. There are some retained cuds and internal die chips for these years.
Cuds represent terminal die states and are some of the most interesting coins to collect.
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I have 3 Half-Dimes with cuds... I need to take pictures
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My 1839-O Half Dime!
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<< <i>That one is really cool purp! >>
It's my only coin with a Cud.
It's a V-6 VLDS(very late die state) (thank you Mr. Steve Crane)
Dunno the rarity but I haven't seen one like it yet.
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Sweet....it's a 2fer...2 errors on one coin
That's cool... I often see similar (but not completely exact) die breaks on different 1921-D dies. It appears that there are inherent stress points that are more likely to break than others. It seems the area on your coin is such a weak point. Thanks for sharing!
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<< <i>Jason,
That's cool... I often see similar (but not completely exact) die breaks on different 1921-D dies. It appears that there are inherent stress points that are more likely to break than others. It seems the area on your coin is such a weak point. Thanks for sharing!
Rob >>
No prob. I sold both of these coins to Pete Bishal (RIP) a couple of years ago.
Thanks for the info on 1795 O.123. Thanks also to those who posted interesting cuds of other denominations, I would like to start a partial US type set of coins with cuds.
Another cud to chew on:
This is 1806/5 O.104a R.5 with a partially retained reverse cud and a heavy obverse die crack star 11-13. This overdate has the distinction of being the only bust half overdate from a previously used obverse die. The reverse was also used on four different die marriages in 1805, and both dies quickly failed on 1806/5 O.104b. This die marriage is very difficult to find, the Overton plate O.104b is an incredible coin with two full rim cuds.
to vertical press' whare there would be no hammer or anvil die?
As Barndog pointed out you can see the weakness opposite the cud.
This photo of the same coin's obverse shows the effect of the cud on the impression (or lack thereof) of stars 3 and 4:
Does anyone know of an earlier reference? Is Breen correct in attributing the term to Del Ford?
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Incidentally, I had found the same reference to Del Ford, error coin author, as the source of the illogical term 'cud', and included that in my article. I would be very interested to learn of any additional information on the origin of the term.
I call it the "Scalped Indian" ... barely retained cud, or one heck of a die crack, depending how you look at it
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In earlier die states that area is outlined by three die cracks. Eventually the cracks deepened, joined, and a piece fell out of the die forming a cud. This is not a case of just the edges of the crack chipping away to form a huge die chip.
Some have said that it has to include the edge because it has to involve the shank of the die. Well the shank is not just around the edge. Anything below the die face is also part of the shank so this qualifies in that respect as well. It just took part of the center of the shank.