2nd Time around

CrazyJoe · August 16, 2005 11:13PM

I mentioned this a few months ago.. I sent in a Michael Jordan 86 Fleer Rookie to PSA, that i had had pulled out of a pack myself yet it came back "Evid of Trimming" which I knew was not right.. So i waited a couple months and sent it back with my 6 free submission voucher and got the grades yesturday..

31211554 1986 FLEER 57 MICHAEL JORDAN N/A 8

So what are the odd's of me getting my origanal grading Fee's back???

FavreFan1971 · August 16, 2005 11:22PM

none.

Stingray · August 16, 2005 11:22PM

I am not sure, but how do you prove that they were the same Jordan card that you sent both times to PSA?

Stingray

CrazyJoe · August 16, 2005 11:35PM

Your right i really have no way of proving its the same card to anyone there. Atleast this time it didn't cost me anything to send it in.

julen23 · August 16, 2005 11:43PM

congrats joe!

at least you didn't go out like a sucker and sent it in again!!!

Julen

jrdolan · August 17, 2005 2:01AM

If it was raw out of a pack -- and not in the holder of a company they dislike that starts with G -- I wonder why PSA felt it was trimmed? What were the indicators?

packCollector · August 17, 2005 2:03AM

your lucky it came back authentic , how packs have been fabricated with fake jordans showing thru the top ....

CrazyJoe · August 17, 2005 2:26AM

I have had this card since the late 80's i pulled it myself from packs i got at either a convientent store or card shop don't remember. The reason i think the first grader might have thought it was trimmed was because it has a little chipping (i mean tiny) on the right front of the card about half way up on the edge. This is the only reason i see. I will scan it when i get it which will probably be friday and post it here.

packCollector · August 17, 2005 2:29AM

joe , I thought you pulled it recently , I would not trust any of those raw packs with jordan showing as it is probably a fake.

Stone193 · August 17, 2005 3:00AM

Evidence of trimming? Either it was there or not. Sounds like a more inexperienced grader made a mistake.

Anything else would just feed a "conspiracy" of theories IMO.

I promise you, anytime a job is involved where "judgement" rather than hard facts are involved....we can set up an experiment where I promise you they will contradict themselves some of the time.

mike

donnnster · August 17, 2005 3:08AM

wouldn't it take 2 graders to both come to the same conclusion that it was trimmed in order for PSA to label it as trimmed? I remember reading somewhere that a minimum of two graders review the card and submit their grade(without knowledge of what each gave the card). If the gradings are off, a 3rd grader is used to break the tie.

CrazyJoe · August 17, 2005 3:47AM

packCollector, i also don't trust unopened packs, especially from this set, I get sick everytime i check Ebay and see all the fake Jordans or unopened packs from this set because there is no chance in pulling a "real" Jordan from them.

ldferg · August 17, 2005 4:00AM

do you think any packs slip by gai? i just purchased a gai graded pack 7.5 and pulled a few nice cards i'm planning to submit (86f bkb). how does gai determine the grade of a pack (i.e. the difference in a 7.5 and 8, etc...)? i guess i should read their website.

TMc · August 17, 2005 4:10AM

I got a similar story. Bought a psa 7, 58 Mantle. Old grading number, great card. I thought it had a shot at an 8 because it was graded 7-8 years ago. So I cracked it, sent it in. Came back "evidence of trimming". Still sitting in my closet. Not sure if I should A) send it back raw and try again. Or 2) Send it back with the 7 holder asking for a reholder (which I hear is not graded again). SUCKS.

Fabfrank · August 17, 2005 5:06AM

Sometimes when I card doesn't meet minimum measurement, it will get slapped with "evidence of trimming" designation. This happens sometimes with legit cards and already holdered cards that get re-submitted raw. Try re-submitting again and hope for the best.

Stone193 · August 17, 2005 6:23AM

<< <i>Sometimes when I card doesn't meet minimum measurement, it will get slapped with "evidence of trimming" designation. This happens sometimes with legit cards and already holdered cards that get re-submitted raw. Try re-submitting again and hope for the best. >>

I agree Frank
It's about $ - if they mark it undersized - they give a voucher, I believe; if evidence of trimming you get squat - let's do the math?

mike

ldferg · August 17, 2005 6:26AM

btw, congrats on the grade crazyjoe

i went by a card store today in bowling green, ky. they had an ungraded jordan o/c and chipping on the right edge...$800.... this is the closest shop to nashville, tn and prices are way up there on several items.

HoofHearted · August 17, 2005 9:57AM

<< <i>Evidence of trimming? Either it was there or not. Sounds like a more inexperienced grader made a mistake...

mike >>

Stone,

Who knows which grade may have come from the "inexperienced grader". It's really hard to believe the same card can pass physical size requirements one submission and not the other (it "grew" in between submissions??

). Even one of our resident PSA proponents (you!!!

) couldn't explain that one away, eh?

hh

2nd Time around

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