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1909-s vdb....does this mintmark look strange?

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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Coin must be okay. He's a power seller, and they are held to the highest standards of honesty and integrity.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • ERER Posts: 7,345 ✭


    << <i>Coin must be okay. He's a power seller, and they are held to the highest standards of honesty and integrity.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Indeed!
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    I'm not sure about the mint-mark (though, at a quick glance, it looks like it could be ok) but the color definitely looks un-original.
  • ERER Posts: 7,345 ✭
    On top of that, the seller is Santa Claus. It's Gem BU, valued $2500-$3000, but he'll let you BIN for only $1550.
  • TorinoCobra71TorinoCobra71 Posts: 8,093 ✭✭✭
    Appears to be an added "S"

    TorinoCobra71

    image
  • slothman2000slothman2000 Posts: 953 ✭✭✭
    That was my first impression...added mint mark....from a powerseller no less......
  • markglickermarkglicker Posts: 1,486 ✭
    I have no opinion on the coin. But all a Power Seller is, is a cat who does $2000 a month in sales, and has less than 2% negative feedback. In my opinion, everything bought online over $100, should be slabbed by one of the big 3.
  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are two p/up's that im aware of,and dont see either,die chip in the middle of the top B,and a gouge? on the reverse.
    Maybe someone can elucidate. Al
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Position is correct, or very close, but there is too much tilt to be a genuine from Die #1.

    The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.
    Albert Einstein (14 March 1879--18 April 1955)

  • ldhairldhair Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The color is off. Maybe just the image.
    I can't tell anything about the s.
    Too small for me. image
    Larry

  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    According to "Lincoln Cent Encyclopedia" there should be a small area of raised metal from a die chip above the "0" and right of Lincoln's top lip to be from Die #1. I don't see this characteristic of a genuine coin on the image.

    The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.
    Albert Einstein (14 March 1879--18 April 1955)

  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    According to seller, ****THE KEY TO THE LINCOLN CENT SERIES*******

    SVDB is decidedly a variety and is not particularly scarce in "higher grade." The real key non-variety Lincoln in "higher grade" is 1914-D.

    Take that, Powerselling one. image

    The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.
    Albert Einstein (14 March 1879--18 April 1955)

  • NeptunusRexNeptunusRex Posts: 9
    The image is not the greatest but I can attest to the quality of the coins. I purchased one from him and will buy another when budget allows, just wish I could have afforded another at the earlier price, because recent popularity in collecting has driven the price higher. I am banking on the values continuing to rise for the foreseeable future with demand ever increasing.
  • NeptunusRexNeptunusRex Posts: 9
    Just a sideline; he is a professional dealer from a storefront/shop with every nusmismatic credential and association/affiliation. When facts come to light one can see clearly. This mans livelyhood is coins.
    Ebay is but another venue some use to reach people beyond our localities.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    NeptunusRex? image

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The image is not the greatest but I can attest to the quality of the coins >>

    NeptunusRex, not in this instance you can't. Even if the coin is a genuine S-VDB, the surfaces/color are clearly not original and the coin is not as described.
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Where is that popcorn icon!!!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭


    << <i>NeptunusRex? image

    Russ, NCNE >>




    heh heh....


    the plot sickens....
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>The image is not the greatest but I can attest to the quality of the coins >>

    NeptunusRex, not in this instance you can't. Even if the coin is a genuine S-VDB, the surfaces/color are clearly not original and the coin is not as described. >>



    I concur
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • drzaiusdrzaius Posts: 57


    << <i>Coin must be okay. He's a power seller, and they are held to the highest standards of honesty and integrity. >>



    I love your sarcasm and cynicism. image
  • anablepanablep Posts: 5,204 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For a date such as this:

    Not certified + Ebay = no good

    Period.
    Always looking for attractive rim toned Morgan and Peace dollars in PCGS or (older) ANA/ANACS holders!

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 12,446 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not genuinue; looks cleaned, AU slider at best. What's not to love???

    Chris
    My Lincoln Registry
    My Collection of Old Holders

    Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
  • chloebesschloebess Posts: 241
    1909-S VDB's aren't rare in the first place and anyone who would pay $1,500 for this coin will be very sorry.
  • KoinlinkKoinlink Posts: 593 ✭✭✭

    Looks rather bold to me.
  • TUMUSSTUMUSS Posts: 2,207 ✭
    Cleaned - Recolored - Added mint mark. You would have to sit next to the French delegates at the UN to get screwed worse.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Not genuinue; looks cleaned, AU slider at best. >>



    But, NeptunusRex says all is well. Now, I just don't know what to think.

    Russ, NCNE

    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,778 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's hard to come to a definitive conclusion here because the image of the mint mark is very small even when you blow up the picture to it larger size, BUT the center portion of the "S" looks skinny to me, which would make the mint mark BAD. The real 1909-S-VDB mint mark is wider in the center.

    I agree with the others that the color looks funky too. Maybe the coin had to be played with after the mint mark was added to hide a darker area around it.

    BUT yea, a POWER SELLER ??? Why worry?image
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • KurtHornKurtHorn Posts: 1,382 ✭
    The last time I gave an opinion on a lame online pic I was wrong and had to eat a bunch of crow. You'd have to ask yourself why the BIN is so low.

    As an Ebay seller, I would never put a coin that's worth 09-S VDB money up for sale until after I get it slabbed.
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  • joefrojoefro Posts: 1,872 ✭✭
    $1500 says that coin was bodybagged from either PCGS or NGC...
    There is just NO way a legitimate dealer would own that coin and try to sell it without getting it slabbed.

    REAL=SLAB
    FAKE=$1500 BIN

    I guess I'm too new to know what's going on here under the covers with NeptunusRex. Previously bammed member returning???
    Lincoln Cent & Libertad Collector
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,778 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Getting a GENUINE COIN put into a legitimate holder that says the coin is real is easy these days if you are willing to go to NCS or ANACS. For that reason I'd run away from this coin as fast as my legs would carry me. image
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin BIN'd on 7/8 for $1550. image
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,738 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Aside from all the other things said about the coin, It looks like a genuine Die#1 to me. Seller should have included a blow up of the Mintmark.

    Sometimes the "S" on some of thoes early Lincolns gets stretched and can look a little funky.

    It looks like the correct position to me.

    I own a Fine die#4 and a VF die#3, both raw. Out of the 4 mintmark positions, die #4 is the easiest to attribute, and is by far the most numerous of the survivors from this key mintage.

    Hope this helps.

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • ROBERTBROBERTB Posts: 1,016


    << <i>For a date such as this:

    Not certified + Ebay = no good

    Period. >>



    You read my mind.image
    Everything I write is my opinion.

    Looking for alot of crap.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,509 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>For a date such as this:

    Not certified + Ebay = no good

    Period. >>



    You read my mind.image >>

    image

    Buying expensive raw key date coins on eBay is risky at best.

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  • merz2merz2 Posts: 2,474 ✭
    I have to agree with Mark.Color is off.It probably was BBgd by at least one of the TPG's.As a dealer he'd have tried to get it slabbed,for the very reasons eveyone has stated.
    Don
    Registry 1909-1958 Proof Lincolns
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    The identical coin (based upon the images) is up for sale again by the same seller, with the same BIN price.

    link to current Ebay listing
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,778 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Coin must be okay. He's a power seller, and they are held to the highest standards of honesty and integrity.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Russ, Russ you are SO cynical!

    As everyone knows, eBay power sellers are, as old friend who was Catholic, liked to put it are all “lambs of Jesus.” image
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,669 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He's a power seller, and they are held to the highest standards of honesty and integrity.

    He's also a PNG dealer. If you buy the coin and it turns out to be fake, you'll have no problem getting your money back.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,778 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>He's a power seller, and they are held to the highest standards of honesty and integrity.

    He's also a PNG dealer. If you buy the coin and it turns out to be fake, you'll have no problem getting your money back. >>



    You are right, but a lot of power sellers aren't honest enough to rate the "Coin World" seal of the approval, and I don't put much stock in that at all. Just look at who as that "endorsement" you will know what I mean.

    In others words, "power seller" doesn't mean much more than "high volume eBay seller."
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Well, the date is correct. image

    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!

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