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Is an IHC 1869/69 considered a Mint Error? PCGS Results!
KoolCoin
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PCGS does not allow Mint Errors to be submitted for the 8 free submissions as a Platinum Member. I view the IHC 1869/69, SLQ 1918/7, and the Buffalo Nickel 1918/7 as varieties. Anyone have any experience with this type of coin in a submission? If PCGS accepts this coin would they label it as 1869/69? Thank you!
KoolCoin
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(this is un-official) that if the coin is listed in the PCGS Numbering
Book (or the Pop Report) with it's own PCGS #, then it should be
qualified for the membership submission coins.....
Just my opinion/view.......
Fred
San Diego, CA
San Diego, CA
The 1869 over 69 wasn't really an error. It was a reflection of the die prepartion process of the period.
The definitions do get blurry. Was the 1955 doubled die cent an error? I'd say that it was, but it was a massed produced error.
Usuall when I think of an error it's a one time thing - multiple strikes, off-center strikes, capped dies, whatever.
BUT blundered dies could be called errors too IMO.
Had a 1868 DDO, for instance, labeled "Mint Error". Have seen others too. ANACS recognizes a wide spectrum of varieties and experts like Larry Steve have used them extensively for this purpose.
Hope this helps
Rob
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paid by PCGS for authentication and describing
coins for their Major (Mechanical) Mint Error
Coin program.
Been doin' it since 1998 or early 1999, literally
out of the desire to help the error hobby, and
help promote errors. Yes, it does benefit me
as a dealer in Mint Errors, but again, I've never
been paid......
Fred Weinberg
I assume (not official in any way) that because Errors take a few
extra steps to processs, it doesn't pay for PCGS to do it for the free
membership coin submission.
Don't forget, for a normal coin, PCGS plugs in the coin #, and grade,
and the computer generates the tag.
For MINT ERRORS, every single coin (not counting those die varieties
in the PCGS book with numbers) must be HAND TYPED IN for the tag;
this is because all errors are basically "one of a kind", as far as 98% of
the descriptions go........
This is also the reason David Hall agreed with me NOT to list them in the
PCGS POP Reports --- not only would almost every coin show up as
a "Pop 1", which could be grossly mis-used by telemarketers, but it would
take up about the same amount of space as the Los Angeles or New York
Phone book to list every single coin, one line at a time.
Hope this helps clear up a few things......
Fred
Thanks,
KoolCoin George
San Diego, CA
With that being said, however, PCGS recognizes a certain list of die varieties for which they include a die number on the label. EVERYTHING ELSE that's either actually an error or a die variety that's not on their list of diesgoes into "mint error" submission. It's a mix-up of terms on their part, just like eBay has an "errors" category under which people have to list die varieties to sell them, even though they are not technically considered "errors."
These are both cases in mix-ups of terms by professional services that are a large part of why collectors can't seem to get the difference in terms and what coins are what.
die variety - some sort of doubling, hub doubling, date doubling, or mintmark doubling, that is on the die when the die is placed into service on the coining press. ALL coins minted with that die show the doubling and are termed die varieties. ALL die varieties are created during the die making process, not by way of the actual coining process.
error - machine malfunction problems that show on the coins minted. Divided into three separate sub-types, errors are generally from coin to coin (except in the case of die errors) and are usually NOT on the die when the die is placed into service. Nearly all errors are created during the coining process, not in the die making process.
and as an added footnote:
variety - a notable change in the design for a given type within a single year. Sometimes intentional, sometimes not necessarily intentional. Usually not intended to be noticed. Things like large letters and small letters, large date, small date, large mintmark, small mintmark are included in this category. ALL varieties are elements of the design on the die, so they are created during the master die making process from two (or more) differently styled master hubs.
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KoolCoin
<< <i>I received the results from the 8 coin submission with pcgs membership. And the 1869/69 came back labeled just 1869! >>
Well, if you look at the PCGS price guide, you'll see they don't even list 1869/9. That typically means it's a die variety that they don't recognize on the slab.
K S
<< <i>1893-CC $ VF30(I wanted a VF25). 1889-CC $ VF35 (I wanted a VF30) >>
Really...I would be happy with the VF 30 and VF35
">"http://www.cashcrate.com/5663377"
<< <i>the 1869/69 is a totally ridiculously overhyped "error". actually, it's a die-variety, but it's not much different then the myriad die varieties (ie repunched dates, longacre doubling , etc) prevalent in the series. the only reason it gets so much attention is because of it's long-time inclusion in old coin boards, like whitman classic albums. i do not have 1 in my set, nor do i care to. >>
And the main reason it was included in the Red Book, Whitman albums, et cetera, is that for many years it was believed to be an 1869/8 overdate rather than just a repunched digit.