Sometimes things are not as they seem - a public apology to MrD (Greattoning).
Russ
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I posted a thread a while back about this bidder and asked if it looked like shilling:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItems&userid=9colors&completed=1&all=1&rows=200&sort=3
I thought it did. Many other forum members thought it did. Frankly, it does. But, it is not shilling. It really is a legitimate customer who has focused in on Greattoning as where he wants to do business. I now know this for a fact. How? When he was brand new on eBay (under a different handle), I was the very first seller he ever purchased from. He bought several expensive toned coins from me on a couple different occasions.
Let me repeat, HE IS THE REAL DEAL.
To both he and Dick, I apologize. I was dead wrong on this issue.
Russ, NCNE
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItems&userid=9colors&completed=1&all=1&rows=200&sort=3
I thought it did. Many other forum members thought it did. Frankly, it does. But, it is not shilling. It really is a legitimate customer who has focused in on Greattoning as where he wants to do business. I now know this for a fact. How? When he was brand new on eBay (under a different handle), I was the very first seller he ever purchased from. He bought several expensive toned coins from me on a couple different occasions.
Let me repeat, HE IS THE REAL DEAL.
To both he and Dick, I apologize. I was dead wrong on this issue.
Russ, NCNE
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all kidding aside - it takes a very big man to make a public apology like this!!!
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Brian
Bravo Zulu, Russ!
Edited to add that my concerns and communications with Dick occurred last October.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Wish that would rub off on so many others on these boards....
Oh man...I just realized, I just suggested Russ as a role model!!!
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
It took a brave man to admit he made a mistake and I really appreciate it.. There is one other who should join the thread that made far more extreme comments but I don't expect to hear from him.
Thank you so much!
Dick
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<< <i>Russ has great lobes
Capitalist pig!
<< <i>Russ has great lobes He knows when to apologize, when not doing so could hurt his profit... >>
It has nothing to do with profit, and everything to do with doing the right thing. It's been over a year and a half since I've done business with this bidder.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Let me repeat, HE IS THE REAL DEAL. >>
Dick is the real deal, thanks for your help greattoning
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RJ
Sadly, this thread might die a quick death due to all of this good/decent behavior being exhibited.
<< <i>Good for Russ for being a stand up guy and apologizing publicly. And, good for Dick for being gracious about it.
Sadly, this thread might die a quick death due to all of this good/decent behavior being exhibited.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
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There really is nothing fishy. It is all about the mentality of this particular bidder. I went back through my eMail correspondence with him and he is very skittish, and very concerned about his privacy. After checking in to it, it all makes sense, including his decision to use only one seller and making his feedback private.
Russ, NCNE
No one can ever be totally positive, but I'm voting with my money. Have I seen coins he is selling I would like? Yes, but I'm very paranoid when it comes to buying on eBay, and in this case I've seen too much to ever bid on his auctions.
There was a time when I was starting out with coins that I bid randomly, got nailed once or twice, and then focused on 1 seller for awhile.
I certainly wasn't a shill, nor was there anything fishy.
The seller I bid from is no longer selling (I still check as he had some good items I liked) but he probably did 50-75 auctions per week for a few months, and I bid on a lot, and only won a few.
It happens, and sometimes it is a shill, others it isn't. No need to always think the worst. You either bid and get it, or you don't.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Strange:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItems&userid=9colors&sort=3&page=1&rows=25&completed=1&all=1
He won 23.
And why did he only bidded on error coins by him??
I am not implying anything, it is just strange.
San Diego, CA
I'm am truly sorry you feel that way but the truth of the matter is that I have had the good fortune to find that special customer that is so pleased with my service and the merchandise I have sold him that he doesn't want to buy from anyone else. I know it looks funny but sincerely there is absolutely no funny business whatsoever going on and anyone that isn't buying some of the beautiful coins that I sell (many of which come from board members) is cutting off their nose to spite their face. Be that as it may, I prefer not to fight with people but rather stay in the background and let my satisfied customers advertise for me. Russ was a true gentleman and I appreciate immeasurably this thread.
Its interesting that you are so concerned with shills on ebay (owners protecting their own items) and yet on Teletrade its much worse because you never know who is bidding. To me thats far more scary
Dick
<< <i> Maybe at some point I will give in if you have something I really, really want. We'll see. >>
Geez...don't do him any favors now
<< <i>Russ...you're a class act all the way. Too bad a few of the others on this message board don't try to emulate you. >>
Mike, Darn it, I've tried and I've tried to emulate Russ. Even though I believe we were born in the same year I just can't (and won't
be like Russ. He is everyones hero no doubt, but there is only ONE Russ!!!!!
He even sent me my most sentimental Franklin (and one of the only ones I have) for free and paid for shipping. I plan on holding this close
to my heart?? forever.
Once again.... A big public THANK YOU RUSS!!!! (there goes the tears again)
<< <i>Eric
Its interesting that you are so concerned with shills on ebay (owners protecting their own items) and yet on Teletrade its much worse because you never know who is bidding. To me thats far more scary
Dick >>
There's a big difference Dick. On Teletrade, it's called a buyback bid. It's not permitted under any circumstance on eBay.
<< <i>In the past 30 days greattoning has ran 299 eBay auctions, 9colors has bid on 182 of them and on no other seller. Something is still fishy here in my opinion, and this is why I won't bid on his auctions. >>
Well I MUST reply here. Eric, even though I don't know you or have never spoken to you, I have respect for you and your very nice Morgan collection as well as your ability to capture the essence of a coin with photography. That being said, I think Dick of Great Toning is a class act and a standout dealer in terms of professionalism, friendliness, and with incredible toned coin inventory. Everybody certainly doesn't have to like everybody else, but common respect for fellow coin enthusiasts should certainly be shown in my opinion.
By the way Dick, I'm looking forward to the Lincoln and my icon photo below is still my favorite coin... Thanks!
P.S. You seem like a good man Russ!
<< <i>But the benefit of being so paranoid is I've never been ripped for a coin. >>
Yea...sure. I have some ocean front property I'd like to sell you. I really don't believe you've never been ripped for a coin....ACG thanks you.
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<< <i>But the benefit of being so paranoid is I've never been ripped for a coin. >>
Yea...sure. I have some ocean front property I'd like to sell you. I really don't believe you've never been ripped for a coin....ACG thanks you. >>
There's been countless posts here about people getting screwed, and not one of them has been from me because I have never been screwed. Please prove otherwise.
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
<< <i>There's been countless posts here about people getting screwed, and not one of them has been from me because I have never been screwed. Please prove otherwise. >>
Really now...after reading your posts on this board, you would never admit to getting screwed..That's like someone here buying raw gold coins on eBay..You KNOW he got screwed somewhere along the way..but the way you see it, if he never "admits" it here on the forum, it never happened. yea....sorry..I don't believe you....I'll bet you've been screwed somwhere along the way....you just keep it to yourself to protect your "smarter than everyone else image"........
Can't we have and enjoy an occasional pleasant thread, without accusations, arguments, etc.? I know you have it in you.
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<< <i>There's been countless posts here about people getting screwed, and not one of them has been from me because I have never been screwed. Please prove otherwise. >>
Really now...after reading your posts on this board, you would never admit to getting screwed..That's like someone here buying raw gold coins on eBay..You KNOW he got screwed somewhere along the way..but the way you see it, if he never "admits" it here on the forum, it never happened. yea....sorry..I don't believe you....I'll bet you've been screwed somwhere along the way....you just keep it to yourself to protect your "smarter than everyone else image"........ >>
You're full of crap. Trust me, if I had gotten screwed by anyone I would have posted it here for all to see.
<< <i>Gentlemen, I had forecast that this thread would die quickly because both its originator and the subject person were exhibiting good/decent behavior. And, had the tone of the thread remained as it began, it probably would have died by now.
Can't we have and enjoy an occasional pleasant thread, without accusations, arguments, etc.? I know you have it in you. >>
Mark, here's some news for you. When I first saw this thread, I planned to not comment in it. That was until Dick made the post about someone else (probably me) that he thought should apologize.
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<< <i>Gentlemen, I had forecast that this thread would die quickly because both its originator and the subject person were exhibiting good/decent behavior. And, had the tone of the thread remained as it began, it probably would have died by now.
Can't we have and enjoy an occasional pleasant thread, without accusations, arguments, etc.? I know you have it in you. >>
Mark, here's some news for you. When I first saw this thread, I planned to not comment in it. That was until Dick made the post about someone else (probably me) that he thought should apologize. >>
And you should apologize. >>
For what?
He was caught red handed having consignors bidding on their own coins. Do I need to start mentioning names?
I doubt he will.
Russ, classy post!
rainbowroosie April 1, 2003