Paypal???????????

silverandvinyl · May 26, 2005 8:56PM

If you all remember the post I put up about a month ago in reference to paypal.Some members of the board
talked me into signing up for it.You all made some good points,so I did.Guess what,the very first time I let a
client use paypal,I got stung.Not by the client but by paypal.The client put the money in the account(paypal
sent me a e-mail saying it was there).Paypal aslo stated it would take 7 to 10 days to receive the money.Guess
what,the auction ended 4-8-05.I sent the client 5 or 6 e-mails and the same for paypal.Never heard from the client and never heard from paypal.
Never again.This is the very first time I ever got nailed
silverandvinyl

MadMarty · May 26, 2005 9:05PM

Did you get a notice that they paid by check and Paypal was waiting for it to clear? I have had them take as long as 7 days. Paypal will then send you a note that the check has cleared. The 1st note tells you to "DO NOT" ship your item yet.

MAD4MORGANS · May 26, 2005 9:07PM

Here's a link to Paypal's Customer Service page where you can find their phone number. Perhaps you might be able to reach someone by phone. If that doesn't work, maybe you can use their Security Center page and report fraud... AGAINST THEM!!

Paypal Customer Service Phone #

ebaytrader · May 26, 2005 9:52PM

Beware of PayPal!!!!!!!

If they get ripped off they will turn around and screw you big time.

silverandvinyl · May 26, 2005 11:16PM

They never sent me E-Mails in reference to my complaint but they did send me mail telling how great they are.

ebaytrader · May 26, 2005 11:22PM

It's for real. PayPal screws people every day.

pharmer · May 27, 2005 12:21AM

I'm not clear, if they said they put the money in your account, and paypal said it was there,...? Did you check your account to see if it's there?

nankraut · May 27, 2005 1:51AM

I've had hundreds of transactions (as buyer and seller) using paypal, with never a problem. One time, the seller failed to ship a coin, and paypal re-imbursed my purchase price.

Russ · May 27, 2005 1:59AM

Can somebody translate his post in to English?

Russ, NCNE

K6AZ · May 27, 2005 2:02AM

It's sounding to me like he got a spoof payment email. Always log into your PayPal account to confirm that you have indeed been paid.

pharmer · May 27, 2005 2:06AM

My guess is if he checks, it will be there. If so, don't worry, you'll get your email from the buyer, asking where the item is.

Russ · May 27, 2005 2:17AM

<< Paypal aslo stated it would take 7 to 10 days to receive the money >>

Has anybody ever gotten anything from PayPal stating that time frame for receipt of funds? I haven't. It's always 3 to 4 business days both for eChecks to hit the account and for transfers to checking.

Russ, NCNE

tlhoy · May 27, 2005 2:19AM

<< 

<< Paypal aslo stated it would take 7 to 10 days to receive the money >>

Has anybody ever gotten anything from PayPal stating that time frame for receipt of funds? I haven't. It's always 3 to 4 business days both for eChecks to hit the account and for transfers to checking.

Russ, NCNE >>

Same here. "3 to 4 business days."
I think K6AZ is right about a spoof email.

BowTieCoins2 · May 27, 2005 2:21AM

Its always been 3 to 4 business days for me also, and anything else I'd most likely start sweating it. Calling them is best thing to do at this point for you.

Dave99B · May 27, 2005 2:41AM

PayPal is awesome, but its important that you read and understand everything about the various payment options.

If you are careless, you will get screwed eventually.

Dave

badgrdog · May 27, 2005 2:54AM

I have used PayPal for many years and have never had a problem. I have had only a couple of buyers pay through PayPal with an E-Check. I received a message from PayPal telling me that will notify me when the check clears. When I get the E I ship. I always leave the money in my PayPal account.

nesvt · May 27, 2005 3:05AM

I've never had any problems.... but I mostly buy. I did get an eCheck once. The wording seemed straight forward..

<< This eCheck Payment will remain "Uncleared" until the funds have cleared from the sender's account, which usually takes 4 business days. If you are shipping an item, please do not ship your item until the funds have cleared into your PayPal account. You will be notified by email when the funds have cleared into your PayPal balance. >>

About six days later I got another note stating the funds had cleared. I checked PayPal to verify and shipped the item.

bushmaster8 · May 27, 2005 3:09AM

Paypal stinks!

Dave99B · May 27, 2005 3:23AM

Oh great, now PayPal requires the user to “read”. That’s outrageous.

The government will shut them down soon!

Dave

VAMs4U2BuyHere · May 27, 2005 4:03AM

<< It's sounding to me like he got a spoof payment email. Always log into your PayPal account to confirm that you have indeed been paid. >>

Excellent advice indeed. I ship ONLY after accessing my paypal account and verifying funds. Once in my account, I can use the paypal/usps shipping system for the labels & discounted shipping fees. Also note that E-checks sometimes take up to a week to clear. NEVER ship until they do.

I have found that 49 out of 50 e-mails from "paypal" are fraudulent, spoofs. (excluding payment notifications) In fact I've received three of them today.

Whenever I receive an e-mail from paypal, I simply forward it to spoof@paypal.com. In the very unlikely chance the e-mail was legit, paypal will notify you.

silverandvinyl · May 27, 2005 7:45PM

Russ:It's very easy to understand.Here is how it went:#1..I signed up for PAYPAL..#2.I put item up for auction.#3
Item sold for $49...#4 Winning bidder used PAYPAL..#5 PAYPAL send E-Mail telling me the winner is using
PAYPAL for payment and the MONEY is in the ACCOUNT.#6.Your options are: There were atleast 3/4 options,I choose Mail it to me.#7Paypal said 7 to 10days...#8 Auction ended April 8 2005.# 9 Sent 4or5 e-mails to the buyer and to PayPal.Never heard from either one.NOW RUSS,THAT"S NOT VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND OR IS IT FOR YOU?????

PerryHall · May 27, 2005 7:58PM

Why are you yelling ar Russ?

VAMs4U2BuyHere · May 27, 2005 9:28PM

Actually, the manner in which you have presented you situation, did indeed make it confusing.

But, I've finally deciphered the actual problem.

silverandvinyl was paid by the winning bidder, then requested a check from paypal, via snailmail, and it never showed up.

The problem is not with your winning bidder. The problem is between you & paypal (incorrect address, stolen mail, USPS lost the check, etc.) I would suggest that you call, not e-mail, paypal customer service and try to explain that you have not yet received your check.

Harrassing your winning bidder will not accomplish anything.

ldhair · May 27, 2005 10:07PM

silverandvinyl
Wondering if you have checked your account balance.
Is it possible the funds are still in the account and the check was never sent?

BigD5 · May 27, 2005 10:07PM

Log into your paypal account to verify that the payment from the buyer actually hit your account. From there, you should see some record of paypal sending you a physical check. If it shows that your check from paypal is "pending", or "sent", then the check is "in the mail".

What exactly does your "my account" page state for the status of your payment from the buyer, and from Paypal.

And no, your situation is not EASY to understand, as presented.

Russ · May 28, 2005 3:10AM

<< I choose Mail it to me.#7Paypal said 7 to 10days...#8 Auction ended April 8 2005.# 9 Sent 4or5 e-mails to the buyer and to PayPal.Never heard from either one.NOW RUSS,THAT"S NOT VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND OR IS IT FOR YOU????? >>

You failed to mention that you selected the snail mail option for funds disbursement. Since only a cave dwelling Luddite would use that option when direct transfer is faster, safer, and more convenient that lack of disclosure further compounded the incomprehensible nature of your ramblings.

Russ, NCNE

K6AZ · May 28, 2005 3:15AM

<< 

<< I choose Mail it to me.#7Paypal said 7 to 10days...#8 Auction ended April 8 2005.# 9 Sent 4or5 e-mails to the buyer and to PayPal.Never heard from either one.NOW RUSS,THAT"S NOT VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND OR IS IT FOR YOU????? >>

You failed to mention that you selected the snail mail option for funds disbursement. Since only a cave dwelling Luddite would use that option when direct transfer is faster, safer, and more convenient that lack of disclosure further compounded the incomprehensible nature of your ramblings.

Russ, NCNE >>

Russ, do you think he will understand that?

tlhoy · May 28, 2005 3:16AM

You failed to mention that you selected the snail mail option for funds disbursement. Since only a cave dwelling Luddite would use that option when direct transfer is faster, safer, and more convenient that lack of disclosure further compounded the incomprehensible nature of your ramblings.

Also a direct transfer doesn't cost anything.

ddink · May 28, 2005 3:18AM

<<Russ:It's very easy to understand.Here is how it went:#1..I signed up for PAYPAL..#2.I put item up for auction.#3
Item sold for $49...#4 Winning bidder used PAYPAL..#5 PAYPAL send E-Mail telling me the winner is using
PAYPAL for payment and the MONEY is in the ACCOUNT.#6.Your options are: There were atleast 3/4 options,I choose Mail it to me.#7Paypal said 7 to 10days...#8 Auction ended April 8 2005.# 9 Sent 4or5 e-mails to the buyer and to PayPal.Never heard from either one.NOW RUSS,THAT"S NOT VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND OR IS IT FOR YOU?????>>

If you were to begin using proper English grammar, punctuation, and sentence structure, you would be far easier to understand. As it is, all I see is incomprehensible ramblings.

fullerfun4 · May 28, 2005 3:21AM

I just got hammered on Paypal. I won 6 coins and paid via Paypal for over $3,000.00. I waited and waited for shipment. They never came. I disputed through Paypal and they investigated. They just came back and said that I won the dispute but that all of the funds were gone from the seller's account. So I'm out of luck. What good is Paypal if the seller can just empty their account? I don't know what the answer is, but don't think Payapl is so safe.
Gary

Russ · May 28, 2005 3:25AM

Gary,

Did you use your credit card through PayPal? If so, file a chargeback - immediately.

Russ, NCNE

K6AZ · May 28, 2005 3:26AM

<< I just got hammered on Paypal. I won 6 coins and paid via Paypal for over $3,000.00. I waited and waited for shipment. They never came. I disputed through Paypal and they investigated. They just came back and said that I won the dispute but that all of the funds were gone from the seller's account. So I'm out of luck. What good is Paypal if the seller can just empty their account? I don't know what the answer is, but don't think Payapl is so safe.
Gary >>

Gary, how did you pay? If you used instant transfer from your bank account then your only recourse is to file a mail fraud complaint with the post office.

If you paid with a credit card, dispute the charge with the CC company. I always use a credit card when I'm dealing with an unknown seller.

K6AZ · May 28, 2005 3:28AM

Sniped by Russ!

Dave99B · May 28, 2005 3:28AM

Dude, you got screwed by a lousy eBay seller, not PayPal. Let me guess, was his feedback rating (2) ?

Dave

streeter · May 28, 2005 3:44AM

If you have a few minutes on your hands, a quick perusal of the following sites might be of interest. You can get them via google.

PAYPAL TERRIFIED

PAYPALSUCKS.COM

silverandvinyl · May 30, 2005 7:29PM

That's exactly what I said at the very begining.It's PAYPAL and not the buyer.As for Russ,I thought he had an attitude.I sent the buyer and PAYPAL E-Mails and told them to stick it you know where.So,now I'm happy again.The option I choose was mail me a check(I do not give out my bank account I.D anymore).Paypay did say 7 to ten days I would have the money.As I said I'm happy again and RUSS I apologize for the way I listed my remarks about you.I didn't need to do that.I was P.OFF because I signed up for PAYAL and I never like the fact they were tied in with E-Bay.I thank all the members for the pos. and neg. feedback.

ldhair · May 30, 2005 8:34PM

If it's not the buyer why did you tell him to stick it?
You said he paid you.
Sounds like there is more to this story.

BAJJERFAN · May 30, 2005 8:46PM

<< I just got hammered on Paypal. I won 6 coins and paid via Paypal for over $3,000.00. I waited and waited for shipment. They never came. I disputed through Paypal and they investigated. They just came back and said that I won the dispute but that all of the funds were gone from the seller's account. So I'm out of luck. What good is Paypal if the seller can just empty their account? I don't know what the answer is, but don't think Payapl is so safe.
Gary >>

Gary, how did you pay? If you used instant transfer from your bank account then your only recourse is to file a mail fraud complaint with the post office.

If you paid with a credit card, dispute the charge with the CC company. I always use a credit card when I'm dealing with an unknown seller.
xxx
Not sure I understand why the CC company shud be on the hook in this case. Maybe they shud be required to "investigate" the recipient of the funds "BEFORE" they release payment. If one makes a careless purchase and gets screwed out of their $$ I don't see why the CC company shud be expected to make good on the funds and incur the expense of recovery. Just my humble opinion.

silverandvinyl · May 31, 2005 4:32AM

I told him to stick it because he never answered my E-Mail.In some of the e-mails I sent him I ask him to contact PAYPAL and find out why they have not sent the money.I did not get the money therfore I will not send the coins.If I ZAP him on the feedback we all know he will ZAP me and E-Bay will do nothing about it.

silverandvinyl · May 31, 2005 4:34AM

I said the money was in his account.I never said I got Paid

relayer · May 31, 2005 4:43AM

Call PayPal at 1-888-221-1161

BTW - If you file a dispute with your credit card company over a PayPal transaction, PayPal will close your account.

ss350camaro · May 31, 2005 4:46AM

At the bottom of your keyboard there should be a long bar. It's called a 'Space Bar'.

Over to the right there should be a button that says 'Enter' or 'Return' on it.

Try using those to separate your sentences and thoughts. You'll make much more sense

Dave99B · May 31, 2005 4:50AM

Operator error?

Dave

K6AZ · May 31, 2005 5:46AM

<< << I just got hammered on Paypal. I won 6 coins and paid via Paypal for over $3,000.00. I waited and waited for shipment. They never came. I disputed through Paypal and they investigated. They just came back and said that I won the dispute but that all of the funds were gone from the seller's account. So I'm out of luck. What good is Paypal if the seller can just empty their account? I don't know what the answer is, but don't think Payapl is so safe.
Gary >>

Gary, how did you pay? If you used instant transfer from your bank account then your only recourse is to file a mail fraud complaint with the post office.

If you paid with a credit card, dispute the charge with the CC company. I always use a credit card when I'm dealing with an unknown seller.
xxx
Not sure I understand why the CC company shud be on the hook in this case. Maybe they shud be required to "investigate" the recipient of the funds "BEFORE" they release payment. If one makes a careless purchase and gets screwed out of their $$ I don't see why the CC company shud be expected to make good on the funds and incur the expense of recovery. Just my humble opinion. >>

I don't think you quite understand how CC chargebacks work. The CC company isn't the one who eats the loss. They take the money from PayPal. PayPal eats the loss and should since they refuse to do the screening that should be done.

pharmer · May 31, 2005 6:32AM

When the bidder used paypal, the money went into your account. Immediately. Before you got the email saying it had been paid that way. Savvy? He has paid, according to your own account of events. Have you shipped yet?

BAJJERFAN · May 31, 2005 11:04AM

Gotchya. In alla my 57 plus years I have never had to resort to dispute resolution thru a CC company.

K6AZ · May 31, 2005 12:04PM

<< Gotchya. In alla my 57 plus years I have never had to resort to dispute resolution thru a CC company. >>

I have several times. About six years ago someone got hold of our CC number and bought a bunch of AT&T calling cards at over $300. The CC company reversed the charges and AT&T were the ones who took the loss, since they sent the cards to where else, Florida. I had another case last year when I canceled my ISDN account when high speed cable became available, and they kept charging the account for two months.

silverandvinyl · June 3, 2005 4:20AM

Master:What your saying has nothing to do with the payupal problem.

silverandvinyl · June 3, 2005 4:24AM

I did not say the money went into my account.What I said was "paypal sent me a e-mail saying the buyer has the money in his account".Then paypal listed the options for payment".I said send me a check to my home.Gave them all the required information.

Tootawl · June 3, 2005 4:26AM

<< Has anybody ever gotten anything from PayPal stating that time frame for receipt of funds? I haven't. It's always 3 to 4 business days both for eChecks to hit the account and for transfers to checking.

Russ, NCNE >>

The last time someone paid me with an echeck, PayPal sent me an email stating that the funds will be cleared in June 1. I checked my Paypal account and it said the same thing. On June 1, there was money just sitting there waiting for me in my Paypal account!

Conder101 · June 3, 2005 4:55PM

<< I did not say the money went into my account.What I said was "paypal sent me a e-mail saying the buyer has the money in his account".Then paypal listed the options for payment".I said send me a check to my home.Gave them all the required information. >>

What you said was

<< The client put the money in the account(paypal
sent me a e-mail saying it was there). >>

Paypal would not send you an e-mail until the payment was sent to YOUR account not HIS account. If you lok at your account it should show the payment from the buyer to your account, whether or not it has cleared (if it came by echeck), and it should show that the money has been rmoved from your account and a check has been mailed to you. What does it actually say when you look at your account?

Paypal???????????

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