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Grade opinions wanted on two raw Indian cents.
fivecents
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<< <i>Hi Paul, this is off the subject but what is a No Line NGC fattie? >>
They are some of the first generation NGC holders. The earlier NGC holders are thicker than the current NGC holders and have no seperation line under the label. These labels are known to tone the coins(most of times beautifully) that are in these older NGC holders. That is why NGC put the sepration line under the label, to keep the gasses from the label from reaching the coin.
The PCGS rattler is the first generation PCGS holder. These are much smaller than the current PCGS holders. The coins are loose fitting in these holders and would rattle inside the holder when the holder is moved or shaken....hence the name "rattler".
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The only reserve I can put on this opinion is that I’m doing it from scans, which don’t always show the true story. But that’s my opinion from what I see. They look like two nice coins that ran into a rank amateur coin doctor.
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It was cleaned and re-colored
but not the second one
Mark,
Thanks again for a gorgeous Peace Dollar.
Al
<< <i>The first coin definitely looks unoriginal and cleaned. I suspect the same of the other piece, but am not quite as certain about it. >>
I will go with Mark as far as the two Indians. 1894 is a no go, the 1866 would have to be viewed in hand for a more accurate determination.
I love the strike of the 1866, especially the feather definition, and agree this one has more potential.
The type of glowing luster but minor fly-spec problems even a high end PCGS 1894 MS66RD exhibits:
Your 1894 is magnificent and stunning with totally original color.
IMO, the other 1894 is of a different color, which IMO is caused by a cleaning and retoning of the coin. With no offense to fivecents as he is looking for honest opinions I would say that his 1894 would qualify for one of the terms I use for an off color Indian Cent which is a "pumpkin". Another description of an off color cent is a "pink salmon". I have seen my fair share of these over the years.
I hope fivecents sends these coins in for grading and then reports back to us with the results. Those of us making opinions from images are always going to be at a disadvantage.