Moderator - Can we split this forum into two separate ones?

northcoin · May 21, 2005 5:57PM

I could care less about world coins but I find ancient coins fascinating. I'm sure there are others who feel just the opposite. It would sure be nice having two separate forums rather than lumping these apples and oranges together.

newbiecollector · May 21, 2005 6:16PM

Just my observation/comments

I personally do not see the advantage or the necessity of 2 separtae forums.

I am not a collector of ancients but read most of the threads. Many on here collect both Darkside and Ancient and it would seem to me just to be an imposition to them to need to use 2 different forums.

Seems simple to me to just not open a thread about ancients if there is no interest.

This is just my observation, not meant as any criticism.

Syracusian · May 21, 2005 6:36PM

I'm with newbie on this, although I don't collect them, I believe they're an essential part of the Darkside.

Sylvestius · May 21, 2005 6:39PM

Splitting them wouldn't benefit me much as i have a passive interest in ancients (although one day i hope to explore this side of numismatics), and i'm deeply involved in hammered coins.

So i'd still have to use both forum areas! So it'd be more work for me if they split them.

theboz11 · May 21, 2005 7:05PM

I would not split there, but a medals forum would be nice.

cosmicdebris · May 21, 2005 9:46PM

The Darkside is one big lump and I like it that way. There are too many cool things that would be missed that I would never have looked at if they are split.

wybrit · May 21, 2005 9:54PM

I agree with the other replies. Besides the more numismatic arguments above, there really aren't enough posts to this forum to justify a split.

ajaan · May 21, 2005 9:59PM

Split the forum between Chelsea fans and all the rest of us enlightened ones.

wybrit · May 21, 2005 10:02PM

Split the forum between Chelsea fans and all the rest of us enlightened ones.

Just sour grapes from a fan of a team that wears red vests over white longjohns!

And the final trophy score is:

Chelsea 2 : 1 Arsenal

ajaan · May 21, 2005 10:06PM

<< a team that wears red vests over white longjohns! >>

Hey that's actually kind of funny.

sumnom · May 21, 2005 10:22PM

I like the forum as it is. I don't collect most of the coins discussed here but I still like to read about them. There are also few ancients threads so I don't think a separate forum would get much traffic.

Stork · May 21, 2005 10:43PM

<< The Darkside is one big lump and I like it that way. There are too many cool things that would be missed that I would never have looked at if they are split. >>

(I was looking for that "I agree" icon)

oldshep · May 21, 2005 11:20PM

Please keep it as it is, even with mixed ancients and medals most posts stay on the first page for days. We would miss a lot of history and beautiful designs if we split the forum.
Shep

WhiteLighnin · May 21, 2005 11:34PM

<< Please keep it as it is, even with mixed ancients and medals most posts stay on the first page for days. We would miss a lot of history and beautiful designs if we split the forum.
Shep >>

stujoe · May 22, 2005 12:15AM

I think a split would only work well only if there were a lot more Ancient threads than I see here regularly.

The good thing about splitting a forum if there is enough interest is that it would probably attact more specialists and maybe more participation leaving both sections stronger.

The bad thing about splitting a forum if there is not enough interest is that it would probably wither and die leaving both sections weaker.

For Exonumia (medals, etc) a split might work better because it could draw from more than just a subset of this area.

Just my 2 pence.

Edited to add: Does PCGS even slab ancients and exonumia? That might figure into the decision too. I don't know.

AuldFartte · May 22, 2005 1:11AM

<< Please keep it as it is, even with mixed ancients and medals most posts stay on the first page for days. We would miss a lot of history and beautiful designs if we split the forum.
Shep >>

Couldn't have said it better myself !!!

Compa · May 22, 2005 2:24AM

I don't think you can in any way class ancients as Lightside material (not even greyside) - Ancients are simply a subset of the darkside. And they are a subset that PCGS does not favor with plastic tombs. Separate ancients from world coins and they simply have no reason to have a forum here on the PCGS boards.

Sylvestius · May 22, 2005 4:35AM

<< I think a split would only work well only if there were a lot more Ancient threads than I see here regularly.

The good thing about splitting a forum if there is enough interest is that it would probably attact more specialists and maybe more participation leaving both sections stronger.

The bad thing about splitting a forum if there is not enough interest is that it would probably wither and die leaving both sections weaker. >>

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From the guy that knows all too well what he's doing on web forums. I agree with Stu, trust me splitting it would not work, it'd probably do more harm than good in the long run. To quote the key policy of conservatism...

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

Sylvestius · May 22, 2005 4:42AM

<< I could care less about world coins but I find ancient coins fascinating. I'm sure there are others who feel just the opposite. It would sure be nice having two separate forums rather than lumping these apples and oranges together. >>

I presume you mean't "couldn't" there, forgive me if i'm wrong but you seem somewhat hostile to world coins.* Any particular reason?

*Of which ancients are most definately a part of, there is fundamentally no difference from 'ancient coins' and 'world coins', the former are afterall coins of the world**, albeit a little older. Although as you'll note the period defined as 'ancient' differs from place to place, so how would you define a break on those lines?

**World being defined as not US.

elverno · May 22, 2005 4:53AM

It is the eclectic diversity of this forum that brings me back each day, several times a day. Without it I feel there are many more specific forums already in place. I just don't frequent them because this one just does it for me!

1jester · May 22, 2005 6:40AM

I'm for not splitting the forum, for the reasons already mentioned.

Aethelred · May 22, 2005 7:06AM

I collect medieval and modern coins, but I do enjoy the posts on ancient coins and I'd never see them if they were in a different forum.

291fifth · May 22, 2005 7:26AM

I doubt if there are enough ancient collectors to support a seperate forum. (I do collect Roman myself.)

Cladiator · May 22, 2005 8:16AM

<< Can we split this forum into two separate ones? >>

IMO - bad idea.

wybrit · May 22, 2005 8:29AM

In summary, we have a resounding "no thanks."

danglen · May 22, 2005 9:12AM

I'm for keeping the Darkside just the way it is: ancient, wordly and above all, very friendly

northcoin · May 22, 2005 9:51AM

Wow - I didn't realize there were so few into ancient coins here. I spend most of my time on the US Coin forum and check into this one to see what there might be regarding ancients. However, I end up clicking on a lot of threads that by their titles could relate to ancients or modern world coins - so for me it is time consuming and I could care less about some Monarch's head from a few decades ago. In the same spirit I wish the US Coin forum would split too so I could escape wasting time reading about all the modern junk - but at least over there it is a little easier to identify from the thread titles the wheat from the chaff.

satootoko · May 22, 2005 10:02AM

<< However, I end up clicking on a lot of threads that by their titles could relate to ancients or modern world coins - so for me it is time consuming and I could care less about some Monarch's head from a few decades ago. In the same spirit I wish the US Coin forum would split too so I could escape wasting time reading about all the modern junk >>

Carried to its ultimate point, your argument is that there should be a separate forum for modern Japanese coins, because that's my primary interest; one for Cook Island coins because that's what MadMarty loves; one for holed coins to keep LordM happy; etc. A few of those forums might even attract half a dozen members, instead of only one or two.

Stork · May 22, 2005 10:08AM

<< but at least over there it is a little easier to identify from the thread titles the wheat from the chaff >>

Maybe so, but we are generally a friendly bunch over here, and even if we don't share the same interests, we often stop and admire what the other guy/gal likes too. Perhaps, for those of us who spend more time here, we can usually tell what the other guy likes in advance (for example, Roy and Japanese coins, and Elverno and Napoleonic medals). Wouldn't trade this forum for any other

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laurentyvan · May 22, 2005 10:43AM

It is the eclectic diversity of this forum that brings me back each day, several times a day Truer words were never spoken Elverno.

'Sides, there are other websites that cater strictly to ancient coins.

Aethelred · May 22, 2005 12:08PM

<< ... at least over there it is a little easier to identify from the thread titles the wheat from the chaff. >>

There is no chaff here!

ajaan · May 22, 2005 12:16PM

<< There is no chaff here! >>

wybrit · May 22, 2005 12:17PM

The chaffmaster just checked in, aethelred!

spinaker2000 · May 22, 2005 12:22PM

All of the US coins are "Moderns".

wybrit · May 22, 2005 12:26PM

All of the US coins are "Moderns".

Sylvestius · May 22, 2005 3:57PM

<< All of the US coins are "Moderns".

>>

From a UK point of view this is true, to us everything 1816 or later is modern. Which doesn't leave a great deal of the US series to be not modern, so 1793-1815 are Early modern!

Although i can see some of the original poster's argument about not wanting to look at everything, although i agree with him on the grounds because i'm on a slow dialup connection (pay by the minute) and as you can imagine it takes too long sometimes. Particularly the image posts, i usually just miss those due to the fact that i haven't got the patience to give the screen 10 minutes to load!

I think perhaps the best move forward would be to ensure that the title of each post indicates clearly what is within the post, which i think happens most of the time anyhow. Helps people like me avoid slow loading pages and keeps the phone bill down!

1jester · May 22, 2005 6:46PM

"There is no chaff here!

" --DeadKing

"All of the US coins are "Moderns"." --Spinster

True!!

Apropos, PCGS has already split the Darkside forum into two: US coins and other Darkside coins...

'I think perhaps the best move forward would be to ensure that the title of each post indicates clearly what is within the post, which i think happens most of the time anyhow. Helps people like me avoid slow loading pages and keeps the phone bill down!

" --Sylvestius

Syl, get broadband!!!!!! When I did, my internet bill was cut by 60-80% and I had much faster access and spent much more time online.

Steve27 · May 22, 2005 9:00PM

Please don't change the forum; I like it the way it is!

vrtech99sboss · May 23, 2005 9:57AM

<< I'm for keeping the Darkside just the way it is: ancient, wordly and above all, very friendly

>>

I don't think I would visit an ancients forum as I don't collect them; but I do enjoy the pics and posts of them so I'd miss them if they weren't here.

Moderator - Can we split this forum into two separate ones?

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