TRIVIA: Anyone See What These Two Coins Have in Common?

braddick · May 13, 2005 2:14PM

First Coin

Second Coin

ss350camaro · May 13, 2005 2:17PM

they're from the same submission, 6 numbers apart.

TommyType · May 13, 2005 2:19PM

<< <i>they're from the same submission, 6 numbers apart. >>

......and possibly "too good to be true"???

fountainheadgold · May 13, 2005 2:24PM

that is very weird

NumisMe · May 13, 2005 2:37PM

They are also both very toned Proofs! Strange.

TonedPeaceNut · May 13, 2005 2:55PM

They're both AT?????

TPN

Vet · May 13, 2005 2:58PM

They both have the same dead president on the obv. George

TomB · May 13, 2005 3:23PM

They both have the same negative eye appeal.

Monstavet · May 13, 2005 3:35PM

They both feature Washington, are both silver proofs, are likely from the same submission (although not guaranteed), and they both feature similar toning patterns. Both received a grade of PR67, but Teletrade has the second coin mislabeled as a DCAM, when the holder states CAM. That is all I can tell you that I see in common. The rest is speculation.

braddick · May 13, 2005 10:57PM

<< <i>They're both AT?????

TPN >>

Same "Artist". I've watched his work enter PCGS (exclusively) slabs over the last couple of months now. Could have been going on sooner- that's just when I started to notice it.

He had a couple of pretty Ikes with the same 'tells' sell for some pretty decent coin not too long ago.

Usually a couple of his coins are never together, in the same format, so locating these two during the same auction run on Teletrade was fun.

TonedPeaceNut · May 14, 2005 12:17AM

Most coin doctors have a signature look to their work. You can easily see the similarities with these 2 coins. This is why I never believe any of the stories I hear about a coin coming from a "Hoard" and thats why its toned in the manner it is.

To me -- "hoard" means the doctor was either too lazy or greedy or possibly both to release his work slowly so that it wouldnt be so noticed and he needed to think up a story to sell his AT coins.

Thanks for posting this Braddick!

TPN

dwssws · May 14, 2005 12:20AM

they are both moderns and Russ told me not to look at modern stuff

braddick · May 14, 2005 2:03PM

Check it out!

Here's a THIRD Coin from the same artist!

braddick · May 14, 2005 2:06PM

And a FORTH!

Coin Finder · May 14, 2005 2:18PM

Pat what makes you think they are AT?

You know that the more you can tell us, the more we can detect and avoid..right..//
Tbig

roadrunner · May 14, 2005 2:29PM

Fourth and long???

roadrunner

braddick · May 15, 2005 1:12AM

<< <i>Pat what makes you think they are AT? You know that the more you can tell us, the more we can detect and avoid..right..// Tbig >>

The shade of blue (especially on that Washington...) is not seen in nature. The blend of the colors and the way they flow. The 'signature' pastel appeal...

The Lincoln looks the closest, the Commemorative, the least likely, but they're each, pretty, albeit, AT.

I'm somewhat surprised PCGS graded these all within the same submission. I wonder how many others are within this same grouping?

stev32k · May 15, 2005 1:32AM

Those are some pan fried coins. Anyone can make those at home in just a few minutes, and it does not take much practice. Just place a cast iron skillet over medium heat and let it get hot. Then add the coin and let it set for about 2 - 10 minutes depending on what color toning you want. After you've done a few you can spot others right away.

stev32k · May 15, 2005 2:03AM

Here is an eight minute coin. Just fried it up a few minutes ago. The longer it stays in the pan the more reddish-gold color it gets. They first start to turn a kind of bluish color you can see in the bands then progress to gold, red, and finally solid burned black. One sure way to tell a fried coin is that both sides and the rim are toned.

Shamika · May 15, 2005 2:13AM

I also noticed the same toning/submission issue!

I'm shocked PCGS did not flag this submission immediately!

buffnut · May 15, 2005 10:46AM

Hey Braddick- I was surfin the fleabay and noticed some familiar toning. Check out how similar the toning patterns are on this guy's coins compared to the ones you have shown:
sellers link
If not the same person, then I would wager at least the same AT technique.
Very puzzling...

buffnut · May 15, 2005 10:47AM

The buffalo nickels especially...

TRIVIA: Anyone See What These Two Coins Have in Common?

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