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What will be the next "new new thing" in numismatics?

RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
In the mid-80's, it was the TPGs. In the mid-90's, the internet and ebay came along. It is the mid-2000 decade. What is (or will be) the next great innovation that will continue to drive interest in numismatics well into the decade?
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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    people who are collecting state quarters and other mass produced moderns will become increasingly interested in older, rarer coins.

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  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    Legend, ANR, Pinnacle, and Mark Feld Rare Coins all go public. Then we will all be investor wannabes. But at least Laura will have to answer to us at the shareholders' meeting.
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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,599 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TPG graded coins will get an independent certification stating that the coin inside is a-ok and good for the grade.
  • Would you believe Plastic debit cards?
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    The next big thing has already happened. Legend has entered the proof Kennedy market.

    Russ, NCNE
  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin slabs INSIDE of a new Third party grading company's slab stating what they think the real grade is.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Colorized early proofs.

    Rick Snow already does the independent certification thing with the photoseal. I think it certainly adds clout to the coin involved as long as the person certifying it is prominent enough.
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  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    What I hope will be the "next new thing" is a way to get collecting more visible to the mainstream public. National Coin Week has a lot of potential but not much in the way of impact. Ebay has made coins more visible, but ten years from now it will no longer be considered innovative. By that time nearly everyone who has reached prime collecting age will have been exposed to computers for many years, and they will be spending their time doing other things online other than cruising ebay. Plus, the way things are going on ebay it won't be long before the quality items are completely inundated by the junk and the scammers.

    Collecting can have a very steep learning curve depending on what someone collects, and we frequently joke about the "price of tuition". It would be nice if newer collectors could get up to speed without having to pay that high price.



    << <i>people who are collecting state quarters and other mass produced moderns will become increasingly interested in older, rarer coins. >>



    I think it will be just the opposite. All those people, plus those who buy coins on TV shopping programs, will become instantly disillusioned as soon as they find out they have lost money on what they already have. I don't think most collectors expect to make money on everything, but getting offered pennies on the dollar is going to be a major turn-off.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I believe ANACS will be absorbed by Collectors Universe. It makes sense to have PCGS in two time zones one for east coast one for west coast submissions. NGC may respond like wise. Improved submission times bring in submissions.

    The Registry Set thing is still in its infancy. This will become bigger and with more rewards. A Worldwide database with Photos and write ups will be the next generation. This will be a site where all the worlds finest collections will be showcased and brought not only to the numismatic community but to the general public.

    NGC and PCGS may offer lifetime memberships for CC members at a one time cost. These will be limited and for only a short time.

    Technology will be developed to date toning on coins and a year range will be established to guard against AT.

    David Hall will run for President of the ANA. NGC head Mark Saltzberg will follow.

    CU will buy the rights to Coin World from Amos press.


    PCGS will establish a commission to fight fraud on Ebay and the HSN aimed at educating the public on coins and coin collecting. NGC will follow.

    Laura with Legend will buy and sell every classic coin left in America and travel oversees buying coins and battling Wanna be's She will win the war only when she tells us who they are.

    Russ will marry a Kennedy!



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  • DarkmaneDarkmane Posts: 1,021
    some incredible completely objective way to grade coins so everyone/no one is happy.
  • scherscher Posts: 924
    I think it will be a new "100 point" grading designation..and of course a new small fee to cover putting those coins back into properly graded slabs....
    Bruce Scher
  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    While it is already a thing (like TPGs were in the 70s), I would say varieties.
  • Like in the 50's & 60's, when you could buy coin supplies at the 5&10 stores, WalMart, Target, K-Mart will start selling supplies and eventually start selling rolls and slabbed coins. At least the moderns at first.
    I don't know why they don't right now.
  • TheRavenTheRaven Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭✭
    I would say that currency might see something before the coins aspect to it.....

    Things seem pretty hot at the current time so people aren't going to want to mess with that works at the moment....
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    What are you talking about? It's already going on in professional "conservation". Take a look at the impact NCS is starting to have.

    PCGS will inevitably go the same rout. They're leaving money on the table if they don't.

    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Actually, the Registries are a pretty big thing considering they've sparked the insane prices for Top Pop coins.

    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!
  • BigGreekBigGreek Posts: 1,090
    A registry which is independent of TPGs and has mass appeal.
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    My WLH Short Set Registry Collection
  • Computerized third party grading will end the subjective grading game.
    GTS
  • HeywoodHeywood Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭
    "Second STRIKE" ASEs

    "First STRIKE" Mint and Proof sets


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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My two wild guesses were both technology-related:

    1) 3-D coin imaging (leading to...)
    2) Computerized grading
  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    The US Govt will subcontract coin minting to China, since they're doing it already. The new coins will be easily identifiable as they'll have modern obverses and 19th century reverses.
  • The use of scientific analysis to determine surface alteration/toning originality.

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  • mirabelamirabela Posts: 5,196 ✭✭✭✭✭
    More of an exonumia thing, but -- just as people collect sample slabs -- past & present credit cards.
    mirabela
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    I think you have to add registry sets in there. They're largely responsible for the insanity in "top pop" values today.
  • eyoung429eyoung429 Posts: 6,374
    Ebay providing the local police departments all the info required to bust a person who tries to sell bogus coins or scams from honest working folks.
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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 29,902 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>people who are collecting state quarters and other mass produced moderns will become increasingly interested in older, rarer coins. >>



    This has been and will be continuing to occur. This of itself will possibly be the biggest
    change in the next several years. The biggest surprise may be that "peope who are col-
    lecting states quarters and other mass produced moderns will also become increasingly
    interested in moderns".

    Unsurprisingly their interest would not be confined to the mass produced coins. image
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  • CommemDudeCommemDude Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A "third" third party grading slab that lists the coin's NGC grade and PCGS grade to give buyers more confidence in the grade opinion. Maybe there will be a little sealed pocket in the back to hold the two inserts. (Jeremy, help me with the mechanics and I will give you half!)

    A second numerical grade (1-10) for eye appeal, an expansion of the NGC star gimmick.

    Dr Mikey
    Commems and Early Type
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Widespread Morgan dollar VAM collecting!
    When in doubt, don't.
  • xbobxbob Posts: 1,979
    The U.S. Mint will sell trading cards of ALL U.S. coins, every type, date, and mintmark. They will be distributed over time and in packs like baseball cards so opening them is a surprise as to what you'll get. Available at retail stores and the Post Office.

    So people can collect an entire set of coins, virtually. Card collectors will cross over to the real coins too!

    Who knows, it just might work...
    -Bob
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  • DCAMDCAM Posts: 302 ✭✭✭
    Where can I get a license for my PCGS/Wal-Mart kiosk? Good Lord, what a job!!
    Buy More Coins!!
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Widespread Morgan dollar VAM collecting!

    I am sorry, perhaps you did not understand my question. I meant something new that would encourage more collecting. image
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sorry about that...

    How about a ressurection of the 20-cent piece, with a new round of statehood designs featuring only scantily clad bimbos?

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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How about a ressurection of the 20-cent piece, with a new round of statehood designs featuring only scantily clad bimbos?

    Now, you're talking, baby!!!
  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    I kinda like the trading card idea.
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  • 7summits7summits Posts: 316 ✭✭
    The US Mint will actually produce and distribute ample quantities of circulating coinage to all Americans . . . including even such novelties as nickels, half dollars and dollar coins!
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  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017
    Sample slabs!

    Cameron Kiefer
  • PCGS signs a deal with the US Mint to become the Official TPG of the US Mint and you can buy PR/MS 70s right from Uncle Sam!

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  • The US Mint will come out with a new coin everyday, forcing collectors to spend $24,820 EACH YEAR to collect both proof and unc, thus erasing the national debt.

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  • The US Mint issues new designs from old Roman coins because they cannot think of new designs themselves. Plus, it fulfills the goal of keeping dead presidents (ummm Caesars) on coins; THIS is place of Liberty
  • DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lincoln cents will hit the stratosphere in 2009 or shortly after we quite making them.
  • What's a "thing" (I hate that word)?
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I hate that word.

    The New New Thing

    I like the card idea. image

    Remember folks, We are talking about a positive, transforming development, something that will sustain and potentially increase interest in coins over the next 5-10 years.
  • mrpaseomrpaseo Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭
    How about a new slab to verify a slabs grade and authenticity?

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  • I liked the idea of an independent registry ... accordingly, I just registered coinregistry.org. Anyone want to help me develop it if I host it on my own server???
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    what a fun thread, I don' have anything to add but I enjoyed the read!
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  • clw54clw54 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭
    Slabs themselves will become collectible and people will want them in mint condition. There will be little interest in the ones that people used scratch remover on.
  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,652 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1) Registry sets will continue to grow.

    2) Continued gradeflation will eventually come to a head but probably not for awhile yet. The services still can tighten up when they need to. But, the trend of the last few years means that eventually they will run out of grades. If yesterday's 63 is now a 65 and maybe a 67 five years from now, then at some point you have to go off the 70 point scale, which could cause quite an upheaval. Already coins in older holders are perceived to be worth "more". I can see grade becoming a combination of assigned grade AND certification date.

    3) At some point a clever person will figure out how to consolidate ALL dealers websites in a central easy-to-use repository. There's no money in it yet, but the technology is there - and it will make the market more efficient overall. Would dealers pay a quarter or half a point for a web referral that turned into a sale? I think yes. Whoever makes it viable and captures "mindshare" first will win.

    4) More and more information electronically indexed for everyone to use. The ANA will figure out, eventually, how to get the Numismatist completely archived onto the Internet. Same w/other publications.

    5) Continued stratification at the higher grade levels - it's happening in other collectibles as well. People are starting to wake up to condition rarities and will pay crazy money for the best.

    6) The entire market and all the grading services will be controlled by Heritage - just wanted to make sure you were still reading image
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭

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    TPG graded coins will get an independent certification stating that the coin inside is a-ok and good for the grade.

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    Baley
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    Tuesday May 10, 2005 12:01 PM



    people who are collecting state quarters and other mass produced moderns will become increasingly interested in older, rarer coins.

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    I think it will be a new "100 point" grading designation..and of course a new small fee to cover putting those coins back into properly graded slabs....
    Bruce Scher
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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    1- People will begin to collect cards with pictures of coins on them.
    Some of the cards will become almost as valuable as the coins.

    2- Burkshire Hathaway will purchase 3 billion dollars worth of the finest
    and rarest american coins . This will be the finest set of coins ever assembled.

    3- The members of the Forum will form a coin investment consortium and amass
    a fortune in rare coins. Using the collective knowledge of the members.Initial shares will
    bw sold in increments of 1000 dollars. David Hall will become chairman of the Board.

    4- By 2050, money will become obsolete and microchip imbeded smart cards will add and delete
    credits to ones accounts.

    5- Laura will retire from the coin bussiness and open a Bed & Board in Main.

    6. Bear will buy control of Dunkin Donuts and proceed to eat up the profits.
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  • islemanguislemangu Posts: 1,565 ✭✭✭✭
    3- The members of the Forum will form a coin investment consortium and amass

    can the owners icons go on all the cards?image

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