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Why not have duplicates?

RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
Let's say you are working on a date set in a classic series. You learn a lot about the series: the history, the great collections of the past, the market. You are really learning to appreciate the nuances. Your series is nearing completion or complete. A nice example of a coin that you already have in the series is available. You recognize it as especially nice for what it is. Why not buy it? Taking it a step further, why not buy more duplicates when they are available?

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  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭


    << <i> You recognize it as especially nice for what it is. >>




    Exactly. Why not buy it?
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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    exactly. I do buy it.

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  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    Duplicates are OK in my book
  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It would depend upon financing. If buying that one duplicate means I may miss out on something I need to complete the set, then it's not worth it. If however, it won't make a dent in my future strategy, go for it.
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It would depend upon financing. If buying that one duplicate means I may miss out on something I need to complete the set, then it's not worth it. If however, it won't make a dent in my future strategy, go for it.

    Let's assume for this model that all coins in the series cost about the same and are expensive (however you wish to define it) and that by purchasing this coin, you might need to pass on something else that you need in the short-term, but long-term, you will still be able to complete your set.
  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    Can I ask a clarifying definition of "duplicate"? What if the coin is in a different grade than the one that you own? Would you still consider it to be a duplicate? Also, would it matter if you buy the coin becuase you think it is a good value right now, but you had no intention of keeping it for the long term (in other words, it would make a nice "bargaining chip" in a future trade for something that you really need).
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It makes no difference to me if the coin is same grade, higher grade, or lower grade. I guess if the new coin were higher in grade, you could say that you were "upgrading". That is not the intent of the purchase in the model. The intent is to have a duplicate "nice for the grade" example of an interesting and/or rare coin.

    As far as buying to sell later, that would not be the intent of this hypothetical. It would be to buy and keep--knowing, however, that plans, goals, interests, cash available and cash needed all tend to chamge and evolve over time.
  • dimplesdimples Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭
    Since coins are not quote investments, I see no reason to buy duplicates when the money can be used to further expand my collection. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.) image
  • XpipedreamRXpipedreamR Posts: 8,059 ✭✭


    << <i>exactly. I do buy it. >>






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  • XpipedreamRXpipedreamR Posts: 8,059 ✭✭
    That's why coin collecting is considered a mental illness image
  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    If I buy a duplicate, it's an upgrade and I sell the old one. I see no reason to have duplicates, unless it makes up part of a different series or set. For example, I have 2 - 1853 w/a seated dimes - one for my seated dime set and one for my type set.
  • Buy it




    Sell the other one


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  • mirabelamirabela Posts: 5,143 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It makes sense to buy the coin if it's a nice coin, you like it, price is fair, etc. The only problem is, as you point out, since means are finite it might make it difficult to buy the coin you "need" should the opportunity present itself shortly after buying the dup. Since even my A-list wants exceed my budget most of the time, I try to avoid buying outside it.

    Sometimes I can't help it. I crave for things to move faster than my budget wants to let them. I try to look at those purchases as "rentals" though. I know that before all that long the coin will likely have to go. Small loss, small gain -- as long as it's more or less a break-even proposition, I don't mind doing that.

    In response to your question, then, I'd say go for it -- but for me that would have to be a coin that, in addition to satisfying whatever other criteria I have, I'm solidly sure I can get out of easily and whole should the call arise.
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  • RickMilauskasRickMilauskas Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭
    If I already have one and I feel it is a nice coin. I'll buy it just because I like it.

    Also I may feel that it will benefit me smoetime down the road as trade bait.

    Or...it simply may be a coin that was too good a bargain to pass up.
  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    I may buy it, although I haven't given in to that pressure as of yet in my chosen series.
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  • pf70collectorpf70collector Posts: 6,792 ✭✭✭
    That's why coin collecting is considered a mental illness.


    The only duplicates I have are key dates NGC PF 70 UC SAE 1988 and 1995 and a 2003. Only becasue one day I may have to part with my completed SAE PF 70 NGC set and I could bear it more if i sold the duplicates then break up my set. I am really addicted to this series and I don't want to part with this set unless I am forced to because of some unforeseealbe cirmcumanstance that may arise. Does anybody else do this?

  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,957 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have a love of Twenty Centers & Half Dimes. I'm working on a date/mint type set of all U.S. Coins, so that's my priority BUT I have seen some duplicate twenty's & half dimes
    that I would've bought in a heartbeat otherwise. Once my goal is done I will probably buy twenty's & half dimes that I like regardless of date/mint.

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  • JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    I encourage collectors to broaden their collections, not deepen them. The reason is pretty simple; most people have budgets and duplicates take away from the expansion of the collection. I do encourage clients to add varieties to the collections, as well. Pure duplicates do not add to the collection.

    OTOH, if money is no problem, then take advantage of your experience and purchase the duplicate.
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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 29,114 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In any series I'll pick up duplicates when they are offered for sale or trade for too
    little cost. I do a lot of trading and this is always a great way to trade up.
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  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm not a "set builder" so duplicates in the Bust half series are fine with me. Providing, they are nice problem free and as original as
    can be expected for the series. These are tough to find, so I don't look at it as a duplicate I just look at it as a coin to enjoy.

    Although the way I'm headed I could very well end up with a date set if the "Right" coins ever come available.
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  • carlcarl Posts: 2,054
    Just be carefull or you will become a duplicate nut like me. I started collecting one denomination and then when the set becomes nearly full, I start another. The best coin goes into set #1. I'm now up to 10 sets of Lincoln Cents, 2 Indian Cents, 8 Merc dimes, 8 Jefferson Nickels, 2 Buffalo nickels, etc., etc, etc., etc., et---------
    When a new coin is obtained, if it's great it goes into set #1 and the one from there goes to #2 and the one from there goes to #3, etc., etc. This is time consuming and irritating so why do it?
    Also, you end up with a bigger and bigger safe deposit box or safe in your house. Then there is the little 2"x2" cardboard holders for the ones not yet in a set or the plastic rolls full of duplicates. Example is about 25 rolls of 1943 Lincolns.
    There is no way to stop the duplicates once started. You'll end up with boxes, plastic rolls, albums, hoders, etc.
    And then what? Your kid(s) tell you they are not interested in that stuff so who gets it someday? Just can't stop.
    Carl
  • ARCOARCO Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I buy duplicates all the time. I love coins and how they look and not necesarily the dates and mintmarks on them. It is the look that makes the coin, so if a beautiful coin is for sale and I already have the date, I buy it. If it is a key date, that makes it all the better.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If I see a nice attractive coin at a good price and I really like it, I see no problem buying it even if I already have one.

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  • LincolnCentManLincolnCentMan Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭✭
    There's nothing wrong with having dups. Heck, I used to hoard P mint 1946-1954 lincolns in PCGS MS66. If you know the series, and you enjoy a particular date.... collecting is collecting. It all depends on what your goals are.

    David
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I keep virtually no duplicates because my interests run to many things. Duplicates tie up cash that be used to buy something I don't have. And since I am a dealer, selling off the duplicates is easier for me than it is for others who are collectors only.
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  • MrHalfDimeMrHalfDime Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭✭
    Why not buy it? Why not, indeed. I routinely buy what others might consider to be duplicates of many dates in the half dime series. I even buy 'duplicates' of the same die marriage ...... if they are different die states. I do considerable die state studies, tracking the progress of the dies, from 'perfect' dies to terminal die state. For example, the 1832 LM-5/V8 progresses to a terminal die state where the reverse die is completely shattered. I have thirteen different examples of that die marriage, all in slightly different die states. It is fun to study the progression of deterioration of the dies. XpipedreamR said it best: "That's why coin collecting is considered a mental illness". Doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different outcome.
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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,420 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm happy to have a couple of 1838-O half dollars.image
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have a couple duplicates on the way. One is a lower grade version of one of my personal favorites:

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  • dthigpendthigpen Posts: 3,932 ✭✭
    I buy coins which I would like to add to my collection and keep forever, whether or not they are a duplicate of something which is already in my collection is non-consequencial.

    Edit: At least 25% of my collection consists of 'duplicates'. I would never sell a single one. Over the past couple years, I've learned that collecting what I like, despite conceived market value or what some might see as a 'coherant' collection goal, is more important to me and in the end is the only thing that really matters. If financial situations were different, this might change.
  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If I see a nice attractive coin at a good price and I really like it, I see no problem buying it even if I already have one. >>



    What he said.
  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    I have a lot of dupes. It take 80 mercury dimes to make a set. I have over 120! Of course each and every coin is different. Different color or grade or designation or...

    I keep telling myself it is time to sell off some of the extras, but it is hard to part with them. I guess I wouldn't make a good dealer. If I was a dealer and someone came into my store, I wouldn't want to sell any of my stuff. image

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  • RickMilauskasRickMilauskas Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭

    Of course each and every coin is different. Different color or grade or designation or...

    image I have many duplicates and the reason I have each one is because it is different and unique.
  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    I now have two 1879 and 1882 proof indian cents. I'll buy more dups if I find ones that I like.
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    No duplicates here if I can help it. I'd rather not have my money tied up in such things.

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  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777
    I purchase nice looking duplicates all of the time. Interestingly, with things like donuts, there is a law of diminishing returns in action, and the second or third is never as nice as the first. But that doesn't seem to happen with duplicates........ image
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  • I have several Morgan toners that may have the same date and grade, but the toning makes them unique so I dont consider them duplicates.
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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    I have a few dups. Nothing wrong with dups in my eyes provided you like them both...MIke
    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • there are certain coins I particularily like, and the more the merrier,
  • RGLRGL Posts: 3,784
    I have four Registry sets of early 1939-64 Jeff proofs, does that constitute duplicates? Seriously, so many of these coins were ridiculously cheap cherrypicks and then gained added value with the "plastic" that it was a no-brainer to pick them up. I will be handsomely rewarded, methinks, when I do sell ...
  • OKbustchaserOKbustchaser Posts: 5,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why stop with duplicates...I currently have 63 1827 halves, and over 25 1812's.
    Just because I'm old doesn't mean I don't love to look at a pretty bust.
  • For the amount of money I have to spend on my collection, I'd rather not buy duplicates. I'd rather buy one of as many different types as I can afford. With that in mind, I try to find the highest quality pieces that I can get for my money.
  • busco69busco69 Posts: 815 ✭✭
    I would buy it but only at 10% below greysheet bid price or lower.Would pay greysheet bid if it had nice nt color or was very nice for the grade.
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,998 ✭✭✭✭✭
    buy what you like... I have done fine with dups and I am pleased I bought dups when I did

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