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Guess the grade - 1877 Indian Head Cent - grade revealed

BASEagleBASEagle Posts: 383
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Take a shot at guessing the grade and to make it interesting, if you follow Indian Head Cents, give your opinion as to what would be a fair price. It's in a PCGS slab and from a reputable dealer.

Thanks in advance to all who reply.

Mike

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    tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    I would like it as a F-15, but I'm sure PCGS gave it a VF-20. Nice even color.

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    fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    F15.

    I would price it at $1100. That's $100 over greysheet ask.
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    jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,996 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would grade F-15 as well, but PCGS probably has this in a vf-20 possibly even 25 holder.

    Asking price 1350.00,

    But I would not buy this coin at strong vf money just becuase the holder says its vf?

    jim
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,977 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It should be a Fine-12, but given the way some of these coins get graded in the slabs, it could be anything up to and including VF-30.
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    ccrdragonccrdragon Posts: 2,697 ✭
    market grade -> VF20
    actual grade -> F15 (max!)

    price -> $1050 - $1150 range
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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,329 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would guess that PCGS called this coin's grade VF 20. Original key date that got some grading juice at PCGS?

    I like it. image

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    UncleJoeUncleJoe Posts: 2,552 ✭✭✭
    F-15 $1,200.

    Joe.
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    rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PCGS F-12. Weak LIBERTY, hair ribbon substantially worn. If I sent it in through the Collectors Club, I bet it would come back VG-10, though. Real nice coin.
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    ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭
    In terms of traditional grading (i.e. looking at LIBERTY), it's arguably VG-10. Looking at the coin overall, though, I think it could pass for Fine. The price range? About $1000-1300 if you consider it Fine, IMO, and perhaps $800-$1000 as a VG-10.

    VF-20 would be a stretch. But looking at the coin overall and knowing that this date sometimes gets a fairly liberal grade, F-15 wouldn't surprise me at all.
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    raysrays Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
    vf30
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    dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    genuine, f-12.

    if they graded it any higher than that, then they screwed up, plain & simple. but it DOES appear choice.

    K S
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    KurtHornKurtHorn Posts: 1,382 ✭
    Submitted by me... VG 8 or 10. Submitted by Heritage... VF 35
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    mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    F12
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    NumismanicNumismanic Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭
    F-15
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    BASEagleBASEagle Posts: 383
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    asking price: $1,595 VF20

    Dang, you guys are good - especially when you agree with me! I was 99% sure that I was sending it back, before I posted. Thanks for the confirmation. IMO, an Indian Head cent needs a stronger "LIBERTY" to qualify for a Very Fine grade.

    Thanks,

    Mike
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    UncleJoeUncleJoe Posts: 2,552 ✭✭✭
    Agreed. The entire bottom of the band containing liberty must be visible (even weakly) to be considered VF IMO.

    This coin to me would be properly graded F-15

    Joe.
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    dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    PASS BIG-TIME!

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    ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Agreed. The entire bottom of the band containing liberty must be visible (even weakly) to be considered VF IMO. >>

    That's certainly the Fly-In Club standard and the one used by Rick Snow and other IHC specialists.

    I stick by F-12, but based on the overall detail I don't think F-15 is out of the question. It's a pitiful VF, IMO, but not surprising since it seems like '77s get a fair amount of liberal grading.

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