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IMO EBAY JUST DOESN'T CARE. This One Takes the Cake. I Thought I Saw It All On EBAY, Till Today....

Update 4-25; I have called Ebay for the 4th time to try to get action taken against this seller, who uses images of coins he does not own, and offers the coins for sale on Ebay. All I am getting is a royal run around. I am also geting emails from this seller, asking me to remove the Neg that I left. I feel like running a contest, to have forum members guess the day and time that I receive the retaliatory neg. I am looking for another place to offer my coins. Suggestions are welcome.




4-21: Last Update. I just spoke with Ebay trust and safety (second time). After carefully exchanging all pertinent information, I was told that I needed to reduce the whole event to an email. I told her that she had all of the info, but she still insisted on the email. Other than the NPB alert to get my listing fee back, I am done with this. If they don't care, then I no longer do. I will go back to reading my stack of Orwell fiction. Thank you for all the valuable posts, guys (and even the dumb ones, Russ).



UPDATE 4-20 Bidder notified me today that he could not pay. Negative was left. Enough is enough.


UPDATE seller has sold the coin for $1500 on his relist (3970466837. I still haven't heard from him. I called Ebay trust and safety, they say everything is hunky dory, and no rules have been violated. I will hit the Neg on Day 7, if payment is not received.


UPDATE: Dispatch 4:04 PST/ Not selling the first time around, this fella has relisted the coin, this time with a reserve (#3970466837).

This one is great. A guy hits the buy-it-now on my $1500 82-CC Morgan on Thursday (#3970069157). I don't hear anything from him, which is fine, as only one day has passed. I look at the new buy-it-nows today, and see that he has listed my coin for sale at $1500 open, $2750, B-I-N, along with my scan (3970311577). LINKS are 2 posts down. Thank you SS350Camaro.

I am more amused than anything. Either he got in over his head, and I would be glad to let him bow out of the sale, or he is looking to turn a quick buck. Whadda Ya Think?
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    MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777
    That guy is looking for trouble!! image
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
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    pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355
    Happened to me a couple weeks ago with a Teletrade sale. Guy won it Sunday night, had it listed the next day on ebay. Bought it for $180 hammer, sold it for $260.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

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    tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    Talk about a quick flip, wild. Let us know how it turns out.

    Tom
    Tom

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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    It's happened to me before. In one case, a bidder who had PayPaled right away, listed the coin at $1 open with no reserve and lost his ass. image

    Russ, NCNE
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    RonManRonMan Posts: 449
    If he's using your pics that are hosted by eBay, you could do the old "switch-a-roo" on him. image
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    He would have my blessing if he paid first. If he doesn't show up with the dough, I may have to hit the NEG button.
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    mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    If you buy it back for $1500 you can make $5. Your shipping charge is higher than his.
    coinimaging.com/my photography articles Check out the new macro lens testing section
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    ScarsdaleCoinScarsdaleCoin Posts: 5,437 ✭✭✭✭✭
    which part upsets you most....using your pics or getting more money for the same coin? image
    Jon Lerner - Scarsdale Coin - www.CoinHelp.com
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If he doesn't show up with the dough, I may have to hit the NEG button. >>



    Wouldn't that be against your philosophy of never leaving a neg even when they deserve it?

    Russ, NCNE
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    which part upsets you most....using your pics or getting more money for the same coin?

    Neither. I just get this gut feeling that if he doesn't sell it, I won't get paid. If it sells for $1500, and the buyer uses Paypal, he will incur a loss of about $90. So I think he just made a mistake. I wish he would contact me, I don't bite.
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    << <i>It's happened to me before. In one case, a bidder who had PayPaled right away, listed the coin at $1 open with no reserve and lost his ass. image

    Russ, NCNE >>



    hahahahahaha image
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    streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like the picture switcheroo on this guy...by mistake of course.image
    Have a nice day
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    coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    Mark, why not contact the guy, let him know you're aware of his listing and address the situation now, rather than later?
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    flaminioflaminio Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭
    He also bought a bunch of NNC-certified Mercury dimes from centsles, and is trying to resell them. He's going to take a bath on those...
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    Wouldn't that be against your philosophy of never leaving a neg even when they deserve it?

    Man, Russ, you have a better memory than my computer. You are right, I won't use the Neg if he doesn't pay. It is satisfying for about 5 minutes, but the recoil is too painful.
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    streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anybody got a prediction when the train wreck happens with this guy?
    Have a nice day
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    flaminioflaminio Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭
    He's not very good at this game.

    Bought for $20.50.

    Sold for $15.51.

    That's rather the opposite way it's supposed to work, isn't it?
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    Mark, why not contact the guy, let him know you're aware of his listing and address the situation now, rather than later?


    If you going to use logic and reason, Mark, I will find another forum. Just kidding, I will drop him an email now. You are a genius.
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Wouldn't that be against your philosophy of never leaving a neg even when they deserve it?

    Man, Russ, you have a better memory than my computer. You are right, I won't use the Neg if he doesn't pay. It is satisfying for about 5 minutes, but the recoil is too painful. >>



    For a minute I was worried that you'd grown a spine.

    Russ, NCNE
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    What the hell does "PCGS MS 66/67 mean?" What a turd.
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    flaminioflaminio Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭
    He only lost a dollar on this one.
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    FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,428 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lets see if this guy is on the up and up. I just bid on one of the Merc Dimes and will try to win it if it stays within reason. This guy only lives 30 miles from me. If there is a problem maybe I can see him face to face.

    Darn, probably another junk Merc will come my way.....image

    Ken
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    Does this void my 7 day return privilige? After all, he says it is MS 66/67.
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    robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭
    Let us know what his reply is. image
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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,033 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Does this void my 7 day return privilige?"

    I would say so. More importantly, it's your coin until he takes physical possession of it.

    If a picture wasn't going very well I'd put a puppy dog in it, always a mongrel, you know, never one of the full bred puppies. And then I'd put a bandage on its foot... I liked it when I did it, but now I'm sick of it.
    Norman Rockwell

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    Let's see. I could bid on it, you can make him pay you to get the coin, then ship it to me, after I pay him (and I pay you the $5 shipping). He's out the listing and seller fees.

    Alternate scerio: He pays you, I pay him, you pay me and call the whole thing off keep the coin for another 20 years.
    Wait one more scenario: if the coin sells higher contact the winning bidder yourself!

    I'm tempted to tell him I live neaby and would like to drop by to see the coin before bidding....



    Just having fun. I hope you get your $1500 -
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    I am tempted to ask for better scans.
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    Ok heres the play. Have a couple shills bid his up to 2500. Then drop him an email saying you saw the listing and you're not going to sell to him now that you know you can get 2500, but you will take 2300.

    Need I finish.....
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
    excellent scam coynclector. Then of course, the guy might neg Mark for not delivering his coin, and demand $800 profit. And technically he may be right since he did buy the coin for $1500. He's just trying to sell it before he has to pay for it himself. What a loser.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
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    He will never sell it, he is using my lousy scans.image
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>And technically he may be right since he did buy the coin for $1500. >>



    If he hasn't paid for it, he hasn't bought anything.

    Russ, NCNE
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    And why only a 1 day listing?
    Cam-Slam 2-6-04
    3 "DAMMIT BOYS"
    4 "YOU SUCKS"
    Numerous POTD (But NONE officially recognized)
    Seated Halves are my specialty !
    Seated Half set by date/mm COMPLETE !
    Seated Half set by WB# - 289 down / 31 to go !!!!!
    (1) "Smoebody smack him" from CornCobWipe !
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    NoGvmntNoGvmnt Posts: 1,126
    My question to him:

    "Do you intend to pay Mark for this coin if you can't churn it for more than the $1,500.00 that you owe Mark?"

    Jim
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    Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,666 ✭✭✭
    Well, it's wrong what he did. I once re-sold a coin later the same day for a huge markup...but I'd paid for it first. I was sweating bullets until it arrived!
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    I don't care if he sells it for a quick profit. I just don't want him backing out if it doesn't sell. The Service may not be so Great, if that happens.
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    mirabelamirabela Posts: 5,196 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fees the way they are, any way you slice it he's got to sell it for a bit over $1600 just to break even. Ethical considerations aside -- and there are some, for sure! -- the way he's playing the new auction is just dumb.
    mirabela
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    MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777
    For a minute I was worried that you'd grown a spine.

    Markglicker- I think Russ is calling you out!! image
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
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    For a minute I was worried that you'd grown a spine.


    Ebay is a survival game. If I had left the 40 or so negatives that I should have, over the years, I assure you that I would have 10 or 15 retaliatory negatives myself. That sure as hell does not help business. I run my business the right way, and don't have room for that kind of bad baggage.
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    GATGAT Posts: 3,146
    The turd has the same scam going on a 2003 Gold $25 PCGS MS70 from Wonder Coin. Wonder if he paid Laura?

    Bought from Wonder Coin for $675

    For sale for $1,900 & BIN $3,250
    USAF vet 1951-59
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    LincolnCentManLincolnCentMan Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭✭
    If he's using your pics that are hosted by eBay, you could do the old "switch-a-roo" on him.

    I can see it now... the pic says, "Dont trust me, I'm going to rip you off!" LOL





    Or... what if something like this happens:
    Someone uses the BIN on his auction.... and the coin misteriously disappears in the mail.


    There are a few things I learned a long time ago:
    1) Never sell your undercoin when you buy a sight unseen upgrade. The number on the holder doesnt mean it's a nicer coin.
    2) Never sell a coin if you dont have it in your possession. It might not make it to you.
    a) It might be a dog, worthy only of being sent back to the seller.
    b) It might be so nice you really want to keep it. This happend to me once. I sent the coin to the guy... and loathed the trip to the P.O. I still remember that coin.

    David
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    I'm on pins and needles watching this one, it's like flipping real estate at new developments. It still could be a win -win situation. The buyer has typicall 3-7 days to pay for th item (most bin auctions do ask for immediate payment). Anyway. If it sells - the original $1500 is had - yeah, cause that's what you were willing to accept for the coin. If he makes more than good for him, capitalism is alive and well.

    HOWEVER, if this guy doesn't take his medicine ( on his gamble ) well then hell's fury should be sent his way first for being an idiot, second for making the original sellers life miserable, 3rd, did I mention idiot already...


    I will check on this and hope it turns out, I want to conmtinue buying and possibly selling some coins on ebay - but - talk about your mine fields.

    I cannot thank the people on these boards enough for sharing their ebay hooror, humor and success stories.


    Skerke
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    wildjagwildjag Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭
    The auction counter says the page has been viewed 300 times, so I bet the guy is hoping for snipers image
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    flaminioflaminio Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The turd has the same scam going on a 2003 Gold $25 PCGS MS70 from Wonder Coin. Wonder if he paid Laura?

    Bought from Wonder Coin for $675

    For sale for $1,900 & BIN $3,250 >>

    The Wondercoin was only a $10 eagle -- and he says he has a $25 one. I wonder if he knows the difference...
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    stev32kstev32k Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭
    The guy is making habit of trying to flip coins. Guess at least one didn't work out - here's a neg. that was dropped:

    << A*L*E*R*T* SELLS ITEMS HE *DONT* HAVE*I BOUGHT 2 ITEMS AND SENT NOTHING *BEWARE*
    Buyer indadoghouse ( 176Feedback score is 100 to 499) Mar-11-05 16:36 3962075205>>

    Anybody want to give odds on his paying if he can't sell the coin?
    Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my hard drive?
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>HOWEVER, if this guy doesn't take his medicine ( on his gamble ) well then hell's fury should be sent his way first for being an idiot, second for making the original sellers life miserable >>



    If he chooses not to pay for his purchase, he will suffer no consequences since the seller from whom he bought the coin is so worried about getting a neg he'd rather let others in the selling community get the same shaft than fulfill his moral obligation to send out a warning flag.

    Russ, NCNE
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The turd has the same scam going on a 2003 Gold $25 PCGS MS70 from Wonder Coin. Wonder if he paid Laura? >>



    Why would he pay Laura for a coin purchased from Mitch? image

    (Man, if I was Laura, I'd be insulted!!!!)

    Russ, NCNE
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    mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    31 minutes left in the second auction, no bids.
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    GATGAT Posts: 3,146
    BIG deal Russ, got Legend mixed up with Wonder Coin, I don't deal with either. Still the same scam and the turd should be NARUed.
    USAF vet 1951-59
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    If he chooses not to pay for his purchase, he will suffer no consequences since the seller from whom he bought the coin is so worried about getting a neg he'd rather let others in the selling community get the same shaft than fulfill his moral obligation to send out a warning flag.

    Russ. The ammo is called the non paying bidder alert. If this fellow doesn't pay, I will wager a BU Silver Panda, that I have him NARU'd, by Wednesday of this week.

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