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Question about bidding on Teletrade

LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
I believe that there are no reserves for coins on Teletrade auctions. Has anyone figured out, taking into account current prices, what the optimal price would be to bid on a particular coin, after figuring the costs/fees at which the consignor would incur for a buy-back, including shipping? In other words, I am comparing the price at which a seller would sell (taking into account all of his fees) versus the costs that the seller would incur to not make the sale go through. I tried to pencil something out on paper which seems to work, and I am trying to come up with a formula in spreadsheet form. My fomula also assumes a limited number of bidders on the coin. Does any of this make sense, or am I wasting my time trying to beat the system?
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  • PrethenPrethen Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭
    There are definitely reserves on most, in not all, Teletrade auctions. They don't every display the reserve price. However, if a coin doesn't make the reserve after the auction is done it simply won't show up in your tracking list.
  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355
    My take after years of participating as both a buyer and seller on Teletrade is that it was designed by late-20th century idiots who inadvertently created a system that evolved into something that defies attempts such as yours to beat or at least figure it out. The key is the lack of info of many types, which I truly believe was just the result of ignorant oversights in the design. But they look at the bottom line, it's working there, so why change/improve/update it?
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    There is no formula that would work because no formula can account for the psychology or intent of the seller. Many sellers list and shill to drive up the price in an effort to establish a floor. Others have unrealistic expectations about the value of their coins. Still others are just testing in advance of a consignment to a major auction house. Too many unknowns that cannot be accounted for in the calculations.

    Russ, NCNE
  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭


    << <i>There is no formula that would work because no formula can account for the psychology or intent of the seller. Many sellers list and shill to drive up the price in an effort to establish a floor. Others have unrealistic expectations about the value of their coins. Still others are just testing in advance of a consignment to a major auction house. Too many unknowns that cannot be accounted for in the calculations.

    Russ, NCNE >>


    Good points. So often a fresh coin will show up at more than one companies auction site because it did not sell at the first. As you said "just testing". It seems to me that auction houses often have interests in other auction houses.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • sumduncesumdunce Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭✭
    I believe that there are no reserves for coins on Teletrade auctions.image

    If there are no reserves then why on several coins that I had "won" did the pending turn into a no longer in my wantlist moment?
  • bestclser1bestclser1 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
    There are reserves placed on many TT coins by consignors.FACT!image
    Great coins are not cheap,and cheap coins are not great!
  • What Russ said. Some sellers are in an alternate reality.image
    Gary
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