Rainbow toning in Dansco 7070...has this ever happened to you?

Prethen · March 12, 2005 1:39PM

I have at least a couple of coins in my Dansco 7070 (Type) album that are exhibiting some extraordinary toning. I can pretty much guarantee, I didn't buy them like this and they've been sitting in the album for about 12-14 years. I have an 1862 IHC in BU that has concentric rainbow toning on the obverse, like a bullseye and the reverse the toning is more subdued except the toning is going from the center outward. What's even more stunning, is the blazing rainbow I have on my 1852 3CS around the rim on both sides. I think I purchased this as AU and it's one of those coins that I can't tell where there's any rub. The rainbow on the 3CS looks as if someone painted it on. When I look at it, I actually hear myself saying I cannot believe that's actually my coin.

I cannot provide pictures because I don't have a digital camera (yet). Even if I did, it would take a lot of experimentation in order to properly show these (like some of you guys can).

This may sound like a stupid question, but is this type of album toning bad? Should I pull them out as fast as possible or is it too late (which, if I should pull them out, it probably is too late)? Most of my silver coins have not done this in the album. Both of these coins are on the first page which may have something to do with it (what, I don't know).

One other anecdotal note is that a recent EF45 Shield Nickel (1867 With Rays) appears to be taking on some blue/green hues. Maybe I didn't notice it before. That coin I bought about a year ago so it's a recent addition to that album.

I live in a very dry climate. The album sits in a safe deposit box in a bank vault. How concerned should I be?

CoinResource · March 12, 2005 1:44PM

I hear the sound of money growing -- as the tone grows... cm

F117ASR · March 12, 2005 1:54PM

They will sell for a lot more with nice toning. I personally don't like it and keep things in airtites to prevent it. To others its a godsend. It's up to you what you want to do.

Ryana · March 12, 2005 1:55PM

I just got my Dansco 7070 recently, so I don't have first hand experience. However I remember a thread or two about this a while ago. It seems that some people have experienced their coins toning in Dansco and Whitman albums over a period of years. Some people don't see any toners at all, and sometimes only certain coins tone.

The bank vault may be humidified to protect documents and other paper. I imagine that there is a good amount of sulfur in the air because a lot of people store important documents in safe deposit boxes. Why are you concerned if the toning is attractive?

Prethen · March 12, 2005 2:00PM

"Why are you concerned if the toning is attractive?"

This is a good question; let me answer it...

I realize that attractive toning tends to bring a better premium. However, if for some reason if an expert on coins thought it was AT or that the toning was accelerated in some way, then this so-called attractive toning could backfire on me. Also, I have to wonder, is there an unseen danger to the rest of my collection? I'm not sure what my alternatives are if the consensus was to get it the heck out of that bank's vault. I could go to a different bank with a different vault environment I guess. I don't see anything "bad" toning or otherwise happening to any of my coins in that box currently. Maybe I'm not looking close enough.

TonedPeaceNut · March 12, 2005 2:05PM

Dansco albums can and will toned coins -- especially clads. I have a bunch of Ikes that are toned do to Dansco albums. But I've not seen silver coins toned with what I can typical Dansco patterns.

As for leaving them in there, well thats up to you. Seems as though they look nice already so I'd probably remove them and have them slabbed or placed in airtites for extra protection. Otherwise I would imagine they will continue to tone up.

TPN

boyhowdy · March 12, 2005 9:26PM

I call the toning "Dansco Gold".
I put a blast white Peace dollar in my 7070 10 years ago and now it
is a gorgeous uniform light gold color.
I've got a couple of circa 1938 coin boards for Barber dimes that I put
cleaned coins in. In as little as a few weeks there is a golden ring around the rims.

Steve

Prethen · March 13, 2005 1:22AM

Is there a point where the toning will continue and it will become unattractive or is that unlikely?

tmot99 · March 13, 2005 1:32AM

I haven't been collecting long enough, so I can't first hand answer your question. However, I have heard that Danscos can tone coins. My personal opinion is that if the toning is attractive, then I would not care. If you are worried about it, you can buy gel packs to keep your box dry and replace them every once in awhile.

TonedPeaceNut · March 13, 2005 1:37AM

<< Is there a point where the toning will continue and it will become unattractive or is that unlikely? >>

Yep -- if the toning is attractive, I would remove the coins. They will continue to tone as they are exposed to the sulfur and will everntually become less attractive and less colorful -- though this could take another 12-14 years.

TPN

stimmy · March 13, 2005 2:47AM

I hear what your saying. I have a almost completed Roosevelt Dime Dansco 7125 album that was sitting in my closet since 1990. I purchased all the dimes at gem grade and all blazing white at that time. Over last christmas holiday I reviewed the album and found a majority of the dimes have the deep purple toning and some with purple finger prints. I took the best dimes and sent them to NGC for grading; that was on 01/16/05. I'm still waiting. (Economy tier)

On protecting coins; If air can get to it, it can tone......

Stephen

jom · March 13, 2005 5:21AM

TonedPeaceNut is right. Clads can go "nuts" in Dansco album but all of the silver I've put in do NOTHING. Even some of my State Quarters are started to get "gold". Here's a Kennedy I had in the holder about 10 years:

jom

Baley · March 13, 2005 5:22AM

Rainbow toning in Dansco 7070...has this ever happened to you?

hmmm. well.. let me put it to ya this way..

D · March 13, 2005 6:41AM

I didn't think there was any Sulfur in the Dansco albums... is that still what's causing it? Or was there likely something on the coin beforehand?

-Daniel

lordmarcovan · March 13, 2005 8:16AM

<< Rainbow toning in Dansco 7070...has this ever happened to you? >>

I wish!

All I ever got was milk spots and haze on my proofs, which is why I wouldn't stick proofs in a Dansco anymore. (At least, not in this environment here, where it is humid, there is lots of salt air from the ocean, and plenty of sulfuric fumes from the groundwater and industrial emissions...)

Crackout · March 13, 2005 11:11AM

Baley - that before and after shot is awesome!! How long did that take?

PutTogether · March 13, 2005 11:49AM

the proof 1980 nickel I have in my 1938-to date slot in my 7070 is doing what baley's barber is doing already. It's only been in there a bit over a year.

My silver WWII nickel is turning champagne colored same timeframe, no change in any other coins as of yet.

Prethen · March 13, 2005 11:52PM

Very shortly I'll be taking the advice of some of the members of this board, especially "Michael" who suggested how to safely stop to toning but keep the album in the same place. I'll get one of those large zip-lock freezer bags, envelope the album, remove as much air as possible and zip it up. The should largely do the trick by keeping out any of that unwanted humidity and sulfur that's probably in the vault. It makes logical sense that if the toning were to continue for another 12 years and so it, the colors will keep growing and/or changing, eventually to the darker, less attractive side.

TonedPeaceNut · March 14, 2005 12:41AM

No sure if that idea will do the trick. The sulfur is in the album, not necessarily the air in the vault. Unless you remove all the air, I'm not sure it would make a huge difference. Less air might slow down the toning, the only true way to prevent further toning is to remove the coin from the slot. And the humidity might change slightly but I wouldn't bet my collection on a freezer bag.

Morgans toned in bank vaults where there probably wasn't a lot of air anyway.

JMHO

TPN

stman · March 14, 2005 12:50AM

<< TonedPeaceNut is right. Clads can go "nuts" in Dansco album but all of the silver I've put in do NOTHING. Even some of my State Quarters are started to get "gold". Here's a Kennedy I had in the holder about 10 years:

jom >>

I have a question..... That Peace$ that was recently posted by Bear had what "appeared" to be Dansco toning.
It's been noted that the clad Ikes tone real good, but has also been noted silver coins don't tone up real well
in these albums. So how/why did this Peace$ decide to get all those colors and patterns to look like it toned in a Dansco?????

IMO, that Peace$ looked like what we usually see the clad Ikes look like. Hmmm

stman · March 14, 2005 12:59AM

D · March 14, 2005 3:38AM

Bailey, how long was the barber in the Dansco for before it toned up like that?

-Daniel

TonedPeaceNut · March 14, 2005 4:28AM

<< So how/why did this Peace$ decide to get all those colors and patterns to look like it toned in a Dansco????? >>

Not sure, but it does remind me of Dansco toning -- I'm not saying its impossible for silvers to tone in Dansco albums, but I cant say for sure it won't. I have a feeling the copper of the clads is whats causing much of the rainbows to develop. Though it isn't impossible to get nice tight rainbows on Peace $. I have 2 -- one came from an old Paramount Redfield holder and the second was taken from a plastic Capitol-like holder. Tight rainbows seem to indicate less airflow so I would imagine that Bear's coin is album toned.

TPN

jom · March 15, 2005 1:26AM

<< So how/why did this Peace$ decide to get all those colors and patterns to look like it toned in a Dansco????? >>

I don't have a clue. I know from my personal experiece ONLY my clad Kennedy's have toned. No silvers. NO IKE'S! (not even the clads) have toned. The Ike's and the Kennedy's have been in their holders the same period of time but only the Kennedy's (not all of the clads just some) have toned. I have seen Ike's (clad) that look like my Kennedys so I know where they came from but none of mine ever toned. However, some of my "early" State Quarters (ie 1999) have started to "brown" so they are on their way. How a silver Peace got that tone I haven't a clue and it's certainly a question that should be asked.

jom

Rainbow toning in Dansco 7070...has this ever happened to you?

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