1793 Cent Real or Fake?

cosmicdebris · February 24, 2005 1:16AM

See next post.

cosmicdebris · February 24, 2005 1:27AM

Real:

Is this one fake?

atarian · February 24, 2005 1:42AM

even though id need a better picture to tell id have to go with FAKE. but i just cant see someone leaving a coin like that in a 2x2. and i dotn know i just have a good feeling it isnt real. better pics and ill be able to give a reason either way

magikbilly · February 24, 2005 1:43AM

I don't have my glasses on but the profiles on those 2 seem different - look at the chins. I know nothing of 1C but is looks odd in comparison to the first. My .02 probably worth .01 - I don't know if either is real!

Billy

TheLiberator · February 24, 2005 1:45AM

The mouth looks COMPLETELY different!

magikbilly · February 24, 2005 1:46AM

If the top is real the bottom does not look so hot

As I said, I know nothing of 1c.

Billy

cosmicdebris · February 24, 2005 1:47AM

AUCTION LINK

ER · February 24, 2005 1:47AM

"Fake! Fake! Fake! Fake!" - Elaine

magikbilly · February 24, 2005 1:55AM

"private auction - bidders' identities protected", "ESTATE,SELLING AS FOUND IN THE HOUSE TODAY.RIGHT OUT OF THE BANK BAG"...Feedback=208 negs in last year, 6 in last 4 weeks - " COMPLET FRAUD WARNING!!! DO A GOOGLE SEARCH BEFORE YOU BUY MANY HORROR STORIES" etc...(I am not sure what to google, but I get the idea...).

Billy

mgoodm3 · February 24, 2005 2:00AM

LOOKS ALL GOOD TO ME.

slothman2000 · February 24, 2005 2:04AM

the savannah scammer

Russ · February 24, 2005 2:07AM

I didn't even have to click the link to know which slimeball was listing the coin.

Russ, NCNE

XpipedreamR · February 24, 2005 2:13AM

<< <i>I am not sure what to google, but I get the idea...

Billy >>

link

mrfred · February 24, 2005 2:13AM

I tend to agree that it is a fake. The denticles look closer to the coin's edge, and I agree with the others: the chin is just, well, different -- so different that no die variety would ever account for it. It changes the whole look of Ms. Liberty.

nwcs · February 24, 2005 2:32AM

Reported

wam98 · February 24, 2005 2:32AM

I don't know about how real they are, but the first one is pretty.

ddbird · February 24, 2005 2:46AM

2nd is an obvious fake..not even good. Different denticles, different mouth...and the Y in liberty seems to be closer to her eye, than in the 1st one.

rhedden · February 24, 2005 2:52AM

There are a lot of different varieties of these, and they look drastically different. However, the auction coin pictured is 100% fake and the seller knows it. Private auction? Come on, give me a break.

rays · February 24, 2005 2:55AM

The lesser coin could be genuine, but re-engraved.
Where did you get the picture of the mint state example?

windwhispersintrees · February 24, 2005 3:09AM

Aside from the warning signs in the auction itself, like private bidder ids and sellers feedback, consider:
1. poor picture of obverse makes it difficult to see details
2. no obverse picture provided
3. 2x2 holder looks newly stapled, bright white, and marked with a felt-tip......from an estate sale????

Conclusion:
99% chance it's el fako.

Weiss · February 24, 2005 3:39AM

Looks all good to me.

It makes you wonder how someone can operate on such a completely different plane of moral homeostasis.

And because they so easily, frequently and repeatedly do so, what other sub-moral behaviours are they capable of or do they indeed already commit in their pursuit of money? Drug smuggling? Terrorism?

BigMoose · February 24, 2005 4:30AM

cosmic, the top coin is a very real and very choice uncirculated 1793 Wreath Cent. It is likely a six figure coin in this current market.

The bottom coin inside the white flip is a fake and a bad one at that. Not even close on the bottom coin.

cosmicdebris · February 24, 2005 5:01AM

I figured the second one was fake from the start. Along with everything everyone mentioned I looked at the hair on the real one the bottom 3 strands go closer to the coins edge. Also the fake one edge is too nice and rounf and the denticles definately are not right.

Smittys · February 24, 2005 6:47AM

I'm just wondering how this guy gets away with this?
Hasn't he been turned in numerous times?

MAD4MORGANS · February 24, 2005 9:36AM

<< <i>I'm just wondering how this guy gets away with this? >>

Yes PJD1966 Patricia J. Donnelly, has been reported NUMEROUS times for scamming and having shills. Ebay ignores it because of the "Power Seller" (Power Screwer) status. PJD1966 is the "BLACK DEATH" to eBays integrity.

This seller has recently started listing some of the "COPY" replicas we've been reporting, more in line with eBay and the Hobby Protection Act's guidelines, but other coins like the one above is harder to spot and prove.

Bear in mind many of the people she deals with also suck up their losses and don't give any feedback, leave neutral feedback, or mutually agree to withdraw. A lot of people get hurt so bad they quit eBay. Others who try to stop her get NARU'D. At least one of our own I know of.

Here is a quick link to her neutral and negative feedback she received:
PJD1966 BAD FEEDBACK FROM BUYERS

and

a link for the Negative feedback she's given:
PJD1966 NEGATIVE FEEDBACK TO BUYERS

She apparently one of eBay's "finest" but doesn't "LOOK ALL GOOD TO ME" either.

iras4 · February 24, 2005 12:04PM

Portrait is all wrong on the "cent" in the 2x2. It's a fake, as is the whole auction text. "Estate," "looks good to me", "buyer's identities protected," No reserve?? Low starting price. Smells to high heaven! etc. The feedback may be fake as well. More & more of this sort of crap on eBay. Seems to be an explosion of such stuff recently. I'm not sure eBay know what to do.

Ira

orie · February 24, 2005 12:22PM

I didn't know about doing a Google search on ebayers. Very, very interesting.

dtkk49a · February 24, 2005 1:13PM

Feedback

Dennis88 · February 24, 2005 9:33PM

Run like the wind!!

cosmicdebris · February 26, 2005 2:25AM

I still can not believe this auction is still running.

tlhoy · February 26, 2005 2:36AM

100% FAKE

She didn't list it in the large cents category because she knows large cent experts would report her.

coinguy1 · February 26, 2005 3:01AM

Please bombard Ebay with reports that this coin is a fake. Here is the link to use:

link

AuldFartte · February 26, 2005 3:09AM

FAKE !!!

Just checked my book on large cent varieties ... that thing
isn't even close to a real one.

hedgehog847 · February 26, 2005 3:29AM

It's so sad that people are willing to bid so much money without doing their homework. I wish I had money to pi$$ away like that! Anyone can get duped, but if I were going to invest upwards of $1000, I would feel obligated to myself and my wife to have at least put forth an effort to gain, at minimum, a basic understand what I was buying, not to mention try to assess the character of the individual from whom I planned to buy the item. IMHO

ccex · February 26, 2005 3:57AM

Ding dong, the wicked witch is dead! Not only do I mean that this frightful portrait of Liberty has been pulled from eBay (last night), but the seller is now NARU.

I guess eBay may have started to do something about all the reports of fake coin auctions, at least with this infamous seller.

RYK · February 26, 2005 4:25AM

My google results yielded this on ripoff.com.

cosmicdebris · February 26, 2005 11:14AM

Just checked again.

This listing (3960190686) has been removed by eBay or is no longer available. Please make sure that you've entered the item number correctly. If the item was removed by eBay, please consider this transaction canceled. If anybody contacts you to complete the sale, please ignore the request. Completing the sale outside of eBay may be unsafe and will not be covered by eBay purchase protection programs.

cosmicdebris · February 28, 2005 10:27AM

RELISTED under her hubbies name.

airplanenut · February 28, 2005 10:29AM

Guarnateed authentic!

Conder101 · February 28, 2005 5:15PM

<< <i>RELISTED under her hubbies name. >>

And pulled by eBay AGAIN!!! This is looking good.

kieferscoins · February 28, 2005 10:27PM

Fake. His negatives tell what kind of seller he is.

Cameron Kiefer

pharmer · February 28, 2005 11:04PM

I agree with Liberator, the mouth looked different as soon as I saw it. Do you own that real one? Wow.

ms70 · March 1, 2005 12:12AM

The first clue is that "RARE" is written on the 2x2.

1793 Cent Real or Fake?

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