Lincoln cent AT or NT?

BigGreek · February 21, 2005 10:49AM

I'll give the background on this coin later but I want everyone's unbiased opinion.
AT or NT? Also, what grade do you think it will earn. Currently its raw but soon it
will go to PCGS.

The coin has full luster and has more eye appeal than any other copper coin in
my collection (red or otherwise). Especially nice is the large amount of purple on the
reverse, although the coin has a purple and blue tones throughout.

I am no expert with copper and my last Lincoln submission got BB'ed for cleaning,
although I liked (and still like) that coin.

coinfreak499 · February 21, 2005 10:52AM

NT MS 64

Russ · February 21, 2005 11:00AM

Cleaned and retoned.

Russ, NCNE

weems · February 21, 2005 11:01AM

<< Cleaned and retoned.

Russ, NCNE >>

Congrats on 32k posts.

BigGreek · February 21, 2005 11:03AM

<< 

<< Cleaned and retoned.

Russ, NCNE >>

Congrats on 32k posts. >>

Yea, what's the giveaway

Russ · February 21, 2005 11:05AM

Ah crap! I wasted a milestone on a Lincoln!

Russ, NCNE

weems · February 21, 2005 11:08AM

<< Ah crap! I wasted a milestone on a Lincoln!

Russ, NCNE >>

At least it was any sort of coin at all. Just imagine, what if it was wasted on This?

BigGreek · February 21, 2005 10:23PM

TTT

UncleJoe · February 21, 2005 10:46PM

Mishandled.

Could be cleaned and retoned or this is also what happens when someone rubs a coin between their fingers.

Wonder how I know that?

Joe.

BigGreek · February 21, 2005 11:54PM

<< Cleaned and retoned.

Russ, NCNE >>

Russ, I'm curious why you think it's been cleaned?

kieferscoins · February 21, 2005 11:58PM

<< 

<< Cleaned and retoned.

Russ, NCNE >>

Russ, I'm curious why you think it's been cleaned? >>

The yellow around the protected devices and the purple fields.

Cameron Kiefer

BigGreek · February 22, 2005 12:37AM

So, is yellow an indication of cleaned copper?

I recall that copper toning goes from orange to red to brown,
with some blue/violet intervening shades.

wvinchic · February 22, 2005 2:33AM

To me, and I am not an expert, it looks like it was thumbed a long time ago then toned where it was thumbed. Does that count as NT? I would think so because I think it took awhile to get that way.

I still like it though!

Stacy

Russ · February 22, 2005 2:39AM

<< The yellow around the protected devices and the purple fields.

Cameron Kiefer >>

Purple fields don't necessarily indicate a cleaning. There are plenty of uncleaned Lincolns that toned purple from the paper backing in Whitman albums. That's why it usually appears on the reverse.

The yellow and the funky color in the obverse fields are worrisome, though.

Russ, NCNE

kryptonitecomics · February 22, 2005 2:39AM

<< Cleaned and retoned.

Russ, NCNE >>

I have an Indian Head cent with a light cleaning and it has that same purple.....that's not to say a purple lincoln is a sign of cleaning as there are some really nice toners out their, but the location of the toning and the fact that it's just in the fields...makes me think cleaned all the way.

BigGreek · February 22, 2005 2:52AM

Althought the toning is just in the fields and tops of the devices I don't think
it was cleaned. In hand, the coin shows deep red in the protected areas. The
pictures make this look yellow but in hand it is closer to orange/red. I took
the above pictures, trying to maximize the purple and blue tones.

I like the theory that the coin was thumbed. I've seen alot of old copper with
full red in protected areas that fades to brown in the fields and high points.

I purchased the coin years ago at a local shop when I was putting together
a Dansco. It sat in my dansco for about 4 years. I did notice that the coin had
some interesting color but it didn't strike me as unusual. It was a typical B/RB
uncirculated cent. I paid about $4 for it.

Recently, I decided to take the coin our of the Dansco for closer look and I
noticed the purple and blue. I don't know if this was a reaction in the album
or what. But the coin has definitely changed color.

I guess I'll pay my $18 to find out what PCGS thinks. At worst case, it goes
back into the album.

RedneckHB · February 22, 2005 4:44AM

Save your $18 and buy another coin.

It is not uncirculated and worth $10 as it is. It also has been cleaned.

Buy a nice Au-58 1909 to match it.

BigGreek · February 22, 2005 5:53AM

<< Save your $18 and buy another coin.

It is not uncirculated and worth $10 as it is. It also has been cleaned.

Buy a nice Au-58 1909 to match it. >>

Why do you think its AU?

coinbuf · February 22, 2005 6:12AM

I'm not so sure it has been cleaned or retonied; although I could'nt say that is was not. But you will be wasting the submission as I'm quite sure that PCGS will BB it.

Chris

BTW yes it is AU for sure

BigGreek · February 22, 2005 6:15AM

<< BTW yes it is AU for sure >>

Chris, where do you think the coin show wear?

Craton · February 22, 2005 6:19AM

I'm no expert but I'm going to go with AU and thumbed as well. The protected areas around the devices exhibit what a coin looks like if it has been lightly cleaned - different color then the unprotected areas of the coin. I also see what looks like rubs on the area above the ear and on the cheek.

coinbuf · February 22, 2005 6:55AM

<<Chris, where do you think the coin show wear? >>

From what I see in the pic the coin has wear on the cheek bone and jaw bone area and also in the hair curls. This is baised on what I see in the pic and in hand it could be that these areas are just not fully struck. This yr is known for very sharp strikes so when you see one like that it's most likly AU.

Chris

BigGreek · February 22, 2005 7:19AM

thanks for the great information. it may just go back into the Dansco after all.

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