Heritage Light Backs

joestalin · February 21, 2005 2:48AM

good? bad? who cares?

It appears to me that they are part of the set now, as the numbers they are coming form are the same. So far I have 96 different ones. They
seem to get more numerous the lower you get in the set. I have now altered my excel checklist to inlcude both variations in my set. These
don't effect any of the sp's so this shouldn't add too much more cost into the set, just a matter of tracking them down. They seem to come
spuractically, 5 to a pack. Two of my boxes had none in them so they aren't in ever box. Anyone with anymore observations? John, can you
post your list of light backs again.

Kevin

RipublicaninMass · February 21, 2005 2:57AM

box of hobby, no white backs at all for me.

packman · February 21, 2005 3:18AM

I have opened 4 cases. I received the cases from distributers in Florida, California and Minnisota. I did not pull any light back variations. I also talked to two different representatives of Topps and they were not aware of any light back variations. They said the only variations were the SP variations. Did you pull the light back cards from the same case?

86nova · February 21, 2005 3:33AM

Kevin--- Came across only box that I have opened with the white backs. It contained 49 of these cards; 10,22,24,27,29,36,37,43,45,48,53,54,65,67,68,84,86,93,123,124,138,162,165,178,190,202,207,209,221,249,256,267,279,297,304,316,318,321,334,336,340,344,366,367,369,379,388,390,and397. There is a definite difference in the stock color-- not a light gray but white. Have checked my 1956 vintage set. White back cards are found sporadically within the set, with the last white back being #97. There are four numbers in the vintage set and Heritage Set with the white backs--37,43,67,and 68. I have no idea if this intentional or not. However it is odd that previous years of Heritage had zero back variations but this one does as did the vintage set in 1956. Craig

highend · February 21, 2005 3:41AM

i just culled all the light backs from my case break, i have over 200 i'm going to list the #'s sometime today. i WILL be including these in my master set. at this point i'm wondering if it will be possible to make a base set with all light backs. not one sp or variation that i've pulled has a light back.

Griffins · February 21, 2005 3:47AM

I opened a case, no back variations. The case came from GA. (Kuhlman)

Personally I don't care about the backs on the '56 set, let alone this one. Just a different stock as far as I'm concerned.

easttexascardsandgames · February 21, 2005 4:53AM

The box I just opened had mix was about 1/3rd white back

highend · February 21, 2005 5:33AM

here's my list of light backs, seems pretty consistent with the other lists that have been posted.
10 12 13 18 19 21-27 29 34 36 37 38 39 41 42 43 45 47 48 53-55 58 59 65 67 68 74 75 84 86 87 92 93 94 97 108 109 120 123 124 127 138 139 145 149 152 161 162 165 178 183 190 192 194 195 202 207 209 211 218 221 223 224 231 232 233 239 242 249 252 255 256 257 258 266 267 279 285 294 296 297 304 316 318 321 326 328 330 331 334 336 340 344 346 351 353 366 367 369 379 383 388 390 397.

my case came from blowout/ec wholesale in virginia. i'm curious to see how this will compare to my retail case.

joestalin · February 21, 2005 6:01AM

It looks like highend has the definate list here. I have checked my numbers and they were all on there. Also the same Craig's numbers.
Highend did have one sp listed...296. Is that right?

It looks like the set just got bigger!

Kevin

bengineno9 · February 21, 2005 7:15AM

I have quite a few here in KS.
Think this is just a paper stock thing?

easttexascardsandgames · February 21, 2005 7:22AM

My numbers match up with the other numbers, now the question is are there grey versions and white versions of each card..

highend · February 21, 2005 7:57AM

JS- the santana card is a variation, my light back is the non-variation.

Twinsthreepeat · February 21, 2005 8:01AM

These cards are based on the 1956 Topps Set Right? The 56 Topps cards 1-180 Had a Gray cardstock and a White cardstock verisions.

Basilone · February 21, 2005 8:20AM

I will be including the light backs too in my master set.

For those who really want them....we need to contruct a master list of them..and do your best to try and trade our double light backs to others so we can get as much of the set as possible.

They do appear to only be certain numbers...so if you pull alot of them..you should have some duplicates to trade.

Basilone · February 21, 2005 8:21AM

JoeStalin-

Did you check my list that I posted here and Beckett over against Highends? Were all of mine included in his list?

joestalin · February 21, 2005 8:57AM

yes, as it stands right now high end's list is the official list. He is the only one right now who has a complete master set of
light backs. It appears that you have to get lucky, because the guy over on beckett who ripped 4 cases didn't get one light
back!

I am about 15 cards shy of the LB set, and I have no doubles. It will be interesting what retail will yield. It is also interesting that
topps told someone on the phone that all the cards had the light back variation, when up until now that is clearly not the case.
It looks like we here on this boards are ahead of everyone at beckett or topps! Nice work guys!

The minute I have doubles I will post them. So I had two boxes here in jacksonville with no LB's, and my two Kuhlmann boxes had
a bunch. So did all the boxes send from Chris have LB's in them?? I had two of them...

2/8 here

Kevin

easttexascardsandgames · February 21, 2005 9:12AM

Highends list does not have #29 on it..

joestalin · February 21, 2005 10:57AM

good eye, 28 should be on it, I have that one.

Kevin

highend · February 21, 2005 11:29AM

i have a 29 , no 28. after i pick the cards that i'm putting in my set i'll post the leftovers.

joestalin · February 21, 2005 11:31AM

highend..you mind editing your post with all the numbers, that so far is the best list.

Kevin

highend · February 21, 2005 11:34AM

i'm confused, should 28 be on the list....jim

joestalin · February 21, 2005 11:36AM

I don' t have the card but that doesn't mean anything. Im basing this one on the cards that you have.

Kevin

highend · February 21, 2005 11:39AM

ok, i'll add 29 tom gordon, for now i'll leave 28 off unless someone has one.

Basilone · February 21, 2005 12:24PM

im confused.

JoeStalin..you just said you had #28:

<< <i>good eye, 28 should be on it, I have that one. >>

do you or dont you have that card?

crsportscards33 · February 21, 2005 12:37PM

Just to be perfectly clear, do you all have dark back variations of the cards you're listing as the white backs? Or just a white back version? Thanks. I've got a bunch but they don't have a dark back version that I have.

Chris

joestalin · February 21, 2005 12:40PM

sorry, I don't have 28 and it shouldn't be on the list...unless someone has it.

The list includes all the white backs that have been reported. I haven't checked if all those also have regular backs.

Kevin

DataDriven05 · February 21, 2005 12:42PM

I have 2 of the Kuhlmann boxes as well and I got quite a few light backs in them. Late last week I got 3 boxes out of Florida with no light backs whatsoever. Once I sort them I will compare against Highend's list and see if I have any he doesn't already have.

86nova · February 21, 2005 12:46PM

Opened another box, and this contained 48 white backs. There are no additional numbers that I uncovered that are not previously listed in Highland's list. Craig (86nova)

Stone193 · February 21, 2005 12:50PM

My boxes from Chris contained zero light cards.

Also, of interest, the 2nd 1/1 has surfaced - the first was Rickenbacker and now Warren:

It will be interesting to track them just to see what the final sale will be.

your friend
Mike

softparade · February 21, 2005 12:58PM

Well, I should get my three boxes tomorrow. Feels like I have been watching you guys open packs for weeks now

Any real word on retail?

Basilone · February 21, 2005 12:59PM

Thanks Joe for the clarification

joestalin · February 21, 2005 1:04PM

softparade

Good luck man! I hope you pull a cut or a red auto..maybe even a Bonds black refractor!

Kevin

softparade · February 21, 2005 1:12PM

thanks! don't get my hopes up now

Basilone · February 21, 2005 1:25PM

I love trying to figure out the the light back variations, SPs, etc. Very "old school" collecting. I feel like Jefferson Burdick.

Basilone · February 21, 2005 1:31PM

NEW LIGHT BACK ADDITION - #244 CHRIS CARPENTER

Basilone · February 21, 2005 1:39PM

2 MORE LIGHT BACK ADDITIONS

#274 BRANDON WEBB
#319 RYAN FREEL

Update your lists!

Basilone · February 21, 2005 1:47PM

UPDATED>>>>WED Feb 23rd...

So far 220 cards are known to have "light back" variations.

KNOWN LIGHT BACKS

10 John Smoltz
12 Darin Erstad
13 Chad Tracy
14 Charles Thomas
18 Derrek Lee
19 Juan Uribe
21 Kenny Lofton
22 Brad Ausmus
23 Jon Garland
24 Edwin Jackson
25 Joe Mauer
26 Wes Helms
27 Brian Schneider
29 Flash Gordon
34 Nick Green
36 Kevin Youkilis
37 Billy Wagner
38 Terrence Long
39 Kevin Mench
41 Reed Johnson
42 Reggie Sanders
43 Kirk Rueter
45 Tike Redman
47 Damian Miller
48 Zach Day
53 Juan Cruz
54 Byung-Hyun Kim
55 Carlos Zambrano
58 David Riske
59 Carlos Guillen
61 Barry Bonds
62 Chris Woodward
65 Scot Shields
66 J.D. Drew
67 Erik Bedard
68 Scott Williamson
74 Ricardo Rodriguez
75 Carlos Delgado
83 Odalis Perez
84 Scott Podsednik
86 Jeff Suppan
87 Ray Durham
91 Bengie Molina
92 Danny Bautista
93 Eli Marrero
94 Larry Bigbie
96 Merkin Valdez
97 Rocco Baldelli
98 Woody Williams
99 Jason Frasor
102 Joe Kennedy
104 Armando Benitez
106 David DeJesus
108 Phil Nevin
109 Cristian Guzman
114 Alex Cintron
117 Placido Polanco
120 Bobby Abreu
122 Dallas McPherson
123 Rodrigo Lopez
124 Mark Bellhorn
127 Ronnie Belliard
128 Tom Goodwin
131 Roberto Alomar
132 John Buck
133 Jason LaRue
136 Nate Robertson
138 Morgan Ensberg
139 Vinny Castilla
141 Chan Ho Park
143 Jason Isringhausen
144 Dustan Mohr
145 Khalil Greene
147 Vicente Padilla
148 Oliver Perez
149 Brian Giles
150 Shawn Green
152 Casey Blake
154 Orlando Hernandez
156 Chase Utley
158 Adam Eaton
160 Michael Tucker
161 Kevin Brown
162 Bobby Crosby
165 Tony Womack
168 Ted Lilly
170 Matt Morris
173 Jeff Weaver
174 Tony Graffanino
176 Carl Pavano
177 Junior Spivey
178 Carlos Silva
180 Brett Myers
181 Mike Mussina
183 Nick Johnson
189 Guillermo Quiroz
190 Mark Hendrickson
191 Jeremy Bonderman
192 Jason Jennings
194 A.J. Burnett
195 Ken Harvey
197 Joe Mays
200 Randy Johnson
201 Jeff DaVanon
202 Paul Byrd
204 Kyle Farnsworth
205 Keith Foulke
206 Joe Crede
207 Austin Kearns
209 Shawn Chacon
211 Luis Castillo
215 Brad Fullmer
218 Ryan Klesko
219 Octavio Dotel
220 Rob Mackowiak
221 Scott Hatteberg
223 Bernie Williams
224 Kris Benson
231 Troy Glaus
232 Chone Figgins
233 John Thomson
234 Trot Nixon
237 Miguel Batista
238 Ryan Drese
239 Aaron Miles
240 Randy Wolf
241 Brian Lawrence
242 A.J. Pierzynski
243 Jamie Moyer
244 Chris Carpenter
246 Rob Bell
247 Francisco Cordero
249 Jermaine Dye
250 Cliff Lee
252 Vernon Wells
253 R.A. Dickey
255 Randy Winn
256 Pedro Feliz
257 Mark Loretta
258 Tim Worrell
263 Luis Gonzalez
265 Paul Wilson
266 Mark Buehrle
267 Todd Hollandsworth
272 Brendan Donnelly
274 Brandon Webb
275 Marty Cordova
278 Aaron Harang
279 Coco Crisp
280 Bobby Higginson
282 Andy Pettitte
284 Craig Brazell
285 Eric Hinske
289 Matt Herges
290 Ramon Hernandez
291 Marlon Byrd
294 Al Leiter
296 Johan Santana
297 Milton Bradley
302 Tim Wakefield
304 Rafael Furcal
305 David Eckstein
306 David Segui
308 Matt Clement
310 Brad Radke
313 Joe Randa
316 Alex Sanchez
317 Chin-hui Tsao
318 Omar Vizquel
319 Ryan Freel
320 LaTroy Hawkins
321 Aaron Rowand
323 Joe Borowski
324 Jarrod Washburn
326 Johnny Damon
328 Travis Hafner
330 Dmitri Young
331 Matt Holliday
333 Desi Relaford
334 Jose Hernandez
336 Jacque Jones
337 Terrmel Sledge
340 Brad Wilkerson
342 Jesse Crain
343 Orlando Hudson
344 Laynce Nix
345 Jose Cruz Jr.
346 Edgar Renteria
347 Eddie Guardado
348 Jerome Williams
349 Trevor Hoffman
351 Jason Kendall
353 Tim Hudson
354 Paul Quantrill
355 Jon Lieber
356 Braden Looper
357 Chad Cordero
358 Joe Nathan
359 Doug Davis
361 Val Majewski
362 Francisco Rodriguez
363 Kelvim Escobar
366 David Bell
367 Shea Hillenbrand
369 Ben Broussard
371 Dustin Hermanson
377 Jake Peavy
379 Sean Burroughs
380 Rich Harden
382 John Lackey
383 Johnny Estrada
385 Toby Hall
386 Adam LaRoche
387 Bill Hall
388 Tim Salmon
390 Michael Barrett
391 Jose Acevedo
393 J.T. Snow Jr.
394 Mark Redman
397 Ramon Ortiz

joestalin · February 21, 2005 2:07PM

I remember someone on beckett saying that there were 120 total. im not sure if this is true or not. Thanks for the info!

Kevin

PS I might be getting somemore boxes tomorrow but they were from the non-white back cases, so I might wait. I would rather get
some boxes that had them in it than not.

Kevin

Basilone · February 21, 2005 2:12PM

The attention span of the Beckett board is about 5 minutes. Most of those guys will be talking about this weeks release and totally forget about Heritage by Wed.

This IS the place for serious Heritage collectors.

highend · February 21, 2005 2:39PM

i agree with john, the heritage geeks over here will figure it out.

it won't be long before retail hits...

DeutscherGeist · February 21, 2005 7:50PM

There are a lot of posts for 2005 Topps. It is hard to keep up if its not all centralized.

Basilone · February 22, 2005 1:15AM

I busted the 2 Kuhlmann boxes today. I pulled a total of 105 "light backs" from 2 boxes.

No new additions to the master list...it still remains at 116.

The only problem with pulling "light backs" is that it makes the coalation of the boxes pretty horrible.

For example, in 2 boxes, I pulled 4 David Bell "light backs" and 4 Mark Bellhord "light backs", 3 Coco Crisps, etc. etc.

Pulling alot of light backs really reduces the amount of DIFFERENT cards one pulls in boxes.

joestalin · February 22, 2005 4:01AM

were these from the same case that I got boxes from?

Chris?

Kevin

Basilone · February 22, 2005 4:15AM

Joe Stalin-

Wrong Thread.

joestalin · February 22, 2005 8:42AM

tought break on the light backs

Kevin

yankeeno7 · February 22, 2005 9:42AM

I have opened 1 hobby and 2 retail and no light backs thus far.....can someone post pics of each so we can see how much difference in color there is?

joestalin · February 22, 2005 10:45AM

Barry

If you stack the cards with all the backs facing the same way then slightly shift the cards you can see noticable differences. You have only
opened 3 boxes so far so I wouldn't worry!

Kevin

yankeeno7 · February 23, 2005 4:30PM

Funny you should say JoeStalin. I opened another box and found quite a handful of them....and I have more than half of what I pulled not on this list. Im figuring they have the entire run below 398 in light backs. Anyway, if any of you are interested, here are the new light backs that are not on the previous list.
14, 62, 83, 91, 96, 102, 104, 114, 117, 122, 128, 131, 136, 143, 147, 154, 158, 180, 191, 205, 206, 215, 220, 234, 246, 250, 253, 265, 272, 275, 278, 280, 305, 306, 310, 324, 333, 337, 342, 345, 348, 349, 354, 355, 359, 377, 380, 386, 393

Basilone · February 23, 2005 4:39PM

All of the ones you listed were already on the 220 card master list....I just updated it for this thread.

I have sent you a PM with my want list.

yankeeno7 · February 23, 2005 4:59PM

Didnt get your masterlist...I will ask you for one on PM
Thanks

Basilone · February 23, 2005 5:39PM

For the light backs..I updated the list (see below)

Heritage Light Backs

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