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Heritage Light Backs

joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
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good? bad? who cares?

It appears to me that they are part of the set now, as the numbers they are coming form are the same. So far I have 96 different ones. They
seem to get more numerous the lower you get in the set. I have now altered my excel checklist to inlcude both variations in my set. These
don't effect any of the sp's so this shouldn't add too much more cost into the set, just a matter of tracking them down. They seem to come
spuractically, 5 to a pack. Two of my boxes had none in them so they aren't in ever box. Anyone with anymore observations? John, can you
post your list of light backs again.

Kevin

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  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    box of hobby, no white backs at all for me.
  • packmanpackman Posts: 948
    I have opened 4 cases. I received the cases from distributers in Florida, California and Minnisota. I did not pull any light back variations. I also talked to two different representatives of Topps and they were not aware of any light back variations. They said the only variations were the SP variations. Did you pull the light back cards from the same case?
  • 86nova86nova Posts: 187 ✭✭
    Kevin--- Came across only box that I have opened with the white backs. It contained 49 of these cards; 10,22,24,27,29,36,37,43,45,48,53,54,65,67,68,84,86,93,123,124,138,162,165,178,190,202,207,209,221,249,256,267,279,297,304,316,318,321,334,336,340,344,366,367,369,379,388,390,and397. There is a definite difference in the stock color-- not a light gray but white. Have checked my 1956 vintage set. White back cards are found sporadically within the set, with the last white back being #97. There are four numbers in the vintage set and Heritage Set with the white backs--37,43,67,and 68. I have no idea if this intentional or not. However it is odd that previous years of Heritage had zero back variations but this one does as did the vintage set in 1956. Craig
  • highendhighend Posts: 534 ✭
    i just culled all the light backs from my case break, i have over 200 i'm going to list the #'s sometime today. i WILL be including these in my master set. at this point i'm wondering if it will be possible to make a base set with all light backs. not one sp or variation that i've pulled has a light back.
  • GriffinsGriffins Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭
    I opened a case, no back variations. The case came from GA. (Kuhlman)

    Personally I don't care about the backs on the '56 set, let alone this one. Just a different stock as far as I'm concerned.

    Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's

  • easttexascardsandgameseasttexascardsandgames Posts: 550
    The box I just opened had mix was about 1/3rd white back
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  • highendhighend Posts: 534 ✭
    here's my list of light backs, seems pretty consistent with the other lists that have been posted.
    10 12 13 18 19 21-27 29 34 36 37 38 39 41 42 43 45 47 48 53-55 58 59 65 67 68 74 75 84 86 87 92 93 94 97 108 109 120 123 124 127 138 139 145 149 152 161 162 165 178 183 190 192 194 195 202 207 209 211 218 221 223 224 231 232 233 239 242 249 252 255 256 257 258 266 267 279 285 294 296 297 304 316 318 321 326 328 330 331 334 336 340 344 346 351 353 366 367 369 379 383 388 390 397.

    my case came from blowout/ec wholesale in virginia. i'm curious to see how this will compare to my retail case.
  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    It looks like highend has the definate list here. I have checked my numbers and they were all on there. Also the same Craig's numbers.
    Highend did have one sp listed...296. Is that right?

    It looks like the set just got bigger!

    Kevin
  • bengineno9bengineno9 Posts: 597
    I have quite a few here in KS.
    Think this is just a paper stock thing?


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  • easttexascardsandgameseasttexascardsandgames Posts: 550
    My numbers match up with the other numbers, now the question is are there grey versions and white versions of each card..
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  • highendhighend Posts: 534 ✭
    JS- the santana card is a variation, my light back is the non-variation.
  • TwinsthreepeatTwinsthreepeat Posts: 278 ✭
    These cards are based on the 1956 Topps Set Right? The 56 Topps cards 1-180 Had a Gray cardstock and a White cardstock verisions.
  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭

    I will be including the light backs too in my master set.

    For those who really want them....we need to contruct a master list of them..and do your best to try and trade our double light backs to others so we can get as much of the set as possible.

    They do appear to only be certain numbers...so if you pull alot of them..you should have some duplicates to trade.
  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭

    JoeStalin-

    Did you check my list that I posted here and Beckett over against Highends? Were all of mine included in his list?
  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    yes, as it stands right now high end's list is the official list. He is the only one right now who has a complete master set of
    light backs. It appears that you have to get lucky, because the guy over on beckett who ripped 4 cases didn't get one light
    back!

    I am about 15 cards shy of the LB set, and I have no doubles. It will be interesting what retail will yield. It is also interesting that
    topps told someone on the phone that all the cards had the light back variation, when up until now that is clearly not the case.
    It looks like we here on this boards are ahead of everyone at beckett or topps! Nice work guys!

    The minute I have doubles I will post them. So I had two boxes here in jacksonville with no LB's, and my two Kuhlmann boxes had
    a bunch. So did all the boxes send from Chris have LB's in them?? I had two of them...

    2/8 here

    Kevin
  • easttexascardsandgameseasttexascardsandgames Posts: 550
    Highends list does not have #29 on it..
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  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    good eye, 28 should be on it, I have that one.

    Kevin
  • highendhighend Posts: 534 ✭
    i have a 29 , no 28. after i pick the cards that i'm putting in my set i'll post the leftovers.
  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    highend..you mind editing your post with all the numbers, that so far is the best list.

    Kevin
  • highendhighend Posts: 534 ✭
    i'm confused, should 28 be on the list....jim
  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    I don' t have the card but that doesn't mean anything. Im basing this one on the cards that you have.

    Kevin
  • highendhighend Posts: 534 ✭
    ok, i'll add 29 tom gordon, for now i'll leave 28 off unless someone has one.
  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭

    im confused.

    JoeStalin..you just said you had #28:





    << <i>good eye, 28 should be on it, I have that one. >>




    do you or dont you have that card?
  • crsportscards33crsportscards33 Posts: 337 ✭
    Just to be perfectly clear, do you all have dark back variations of the cards you're listing as the white backs? Or just a white back version? Thanks. I've got a bunch but they don't have a dark back version that I have.


    Chris
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  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    sorry, I don't have 28 and it shouldn't be on the list...unless someone has it.

    The list includes all the white backs that have been reported. I haven't checked if all those also have regular backs.

    Kevin
  • DataDriven05DataDriven05 Posts: 164 ✭


    I have 2 of the Kuhlmann boxes as well and I got quite a few light backs in them. Late last week I got 3 boxes out of Florida with no light backs whatsoever. Once I sort them I will compare against Highend's list and see if I have any he doesn't already have.
  • 86nova86nova Posts: 187 ✭✭
    Opened another box, and this contained 48 white backs. There are no additional numbers that I uncovered that are not previously listed in Highland's list. Craig (86nova)
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,407 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My boxes from Chris contained zero light cards.

    Also, of interest, the 2nd 1/1 has surfaced - the first was Rickenbacker and now Warren:

    image

    It will be interesting to track them just to see what the final sale will be.

    your friend
    Mike
    Mike
  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, I should get my three boxes tomorrow. Feels like I have been watching you guys open packs for weeks now image

    Any real word on retail?

    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭

    Thanks Joe for the clarification
  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    softparade

    Good luck man! I hope you pull a cut or a red auto..maybe even a Bonds black refractor!

    Kevin
  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    thanks! don't get my hopes up now image

    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭

    I love trying to figure out the the light back variations, SPs, etc. Very "old school" collecting. I feel like Jefferson Burdick.
  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭

    NEW LIGHT BACK ADDITION - #244 CHRIS CARPENTER
  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭
    2 MORE LIGHT BACK ADDITIONS

    #274 BRANDON WEBB
    #319 RYAN FREEL

    Update your lists!
  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭
    UPDATED>>>>WED Feb 23rd...

    So far 220 cards are known to have "light back" variations.

    KNOWN LIGHT BACKS

    10 John Smoltz
    12 Darin Erstad
    13 Chad Tracy
    14 Charles Thomas
    18 Derrek Lee
    19 Juan Uribe
    21 Kenny Lofton
    22 Brad Ausmus
    23 Jon Garland
    24 Edwin Jackson
    25 Joe Mauer
    26 Wes Helms
    27 Brian Schneider
    29 Flash Gordon
    34 Nick Green
    36 Kevin Youkilis
    37 Billy Wagner
    38 Terrence Long
    39 Kevin Mench
    41 Reed Johnson
    42 Reggie Sanders
    43 Kirk Rueter
    45 Tike Redman
    47 Damian Miller
    48 Zach Day
    53 Juan Cruz
    54 Byung-Hyun Kim
    55 Carlos Zambrano
    58 David Riske
    59 Carlos Guillen
    61 Barry Bonds
    62 Chris Woodward
    65 Scot Shields
    66 J.D. Drew
    67 Erik Bedard
    68 Scott Williamson
    74 Ricardo Rodriguez
    75 Carlos Delgado
    83 Odalis Perez
    84 Scott Podsednik
    86 Jeff Suppan
    87 Ray Durham
    91 Bengie Molina
    92 Danny Bautista
    93 Eli Marrero
    94 Larry Bigbie
    96 Merkin Valdez
    97 Rocco Baldelli
    98 Woody Williams
    99 Jason Frasor
    102 Joe Kennedy
    104 Armando Benitez
    106 David DeJesus
    108 Phil Nevin
    109 Cristian Guzman
    114 Alex Cintron
    117 Placido Polanco
    120 Bobby Abreu
    122 Dallas McPherson
    123 Rodrigo Lopez
    124 Mark Bellhorn
    127 Ronnie Belliard
    128 Tom Goodwin
    131 Roberto Alomar
    132 John Buck
    133 Jason LaRue
    136 Nate Robertson
    138 Morgan Ensberg
    139 Vinny Castilla
    141 Chan Ho Park
    143 Jason Isringhausen
    144 Dustan Mohr
    145 Khalil Greene
    147 Vicente Padilla
    148 Oliver Perez
    149 Brian Giles
    150 Shawn Green
    152 Casey Blake
    154 Orlando Hernandez
    156 Chase Utley
    158 Adam Eaton
    160 Michael Tucker
    161 Kevin Brown
    162 Bobby Crosby
    165 Tony Womack
    168 Ted Lilly
    170 Matt Morris
    173 Jeff Weaver
    174 Tony Graffanino
    176 Carl Pavano
    177 Junior Spivey
    178 Carlos Silva
    180 Brett Myers
    181 Mike Mussina
    183 Nick Johnson
    189 Guillermo Quiroz
    190 Mark Hendrickson
    191 Jeremy Bonderman
    192 Jason Jennings
    194 A.J. Burnett
    195 Ken Harvey
    197 Joe Mays
    200 Randy Johnson
    201 Jeff DaVanon
    202 Paul Byrd
    204 Kyle Farnsworth
    205 Keith Foulke
    206 Joe Crede
    207 Austin Kearns
    209 Shawn Chacon
    211 Luis Castillo
    215 Brad Fullmer
    218 Ryan Klesko
    219 Octavio Dotel
    220 Rob Mackowiak
    221 Scott Hatteberg
    223 Bernie Williams
    224 Kris Benson
    231 Troy Glaus
    232 Chone Figgins
    233 John Thomson
    234 Trot Nixon
    237 Miguel Batista
    238 Ryan Drese
    239 Aaron Miles
    240 Randy Wolf
    241 Brian Lawrence
    242 A.J. Pierzynski
    243 Jamie Moyer
    244 Chris Carpenter
    246 Rob Bell
    247 Francisco Cordero
    249 Jermaine Dye
    250 Cliff Lee
    252 Vernon Wells
    253 R.A. Dickey
    255 Randy Winn
    256 Pedro Feliz
    257 Mark Loretta
    258 Tim Worrell
    263 Luis Gonzalez
    265 Paul Wilson
    266 Mark Buehrle
    267 Todd Hollandsworth
    272 Brendan Donnelly
    274 Brandon Webb
    275 Marty Cordova
    278 Aaron Harang
    279 Coco Crisp
    280 Bobby Higginson
    282 Andy Pettitte
    284 Craig Brazell
    285 Eric Hinske
    289 Matt Herges
    290 Ramon Hernandez
    291 Marlon Byrd
    294 Al Leiter
    296 Johan Santana
    297 Milton Bradley
    302 Tim Wakefield
    304 Rafael Furcal
    305 David Eckstein
    306 David Segui
    308 Matt Clement
    310 Brad Radke
    313 Joe Randa
    316 Alex Sanchez
    317 Chin-hui Tsao
    318 Omar Vizquel
    319 Ryan Freel
    320 LaTroy Hawkins
    321 Aaron Rowand
    323 Joe Borowski
    324 Jarrod Washburn
    326 Johnny Damon
    328 Travis Hafner
    330 Dmitri Young
    331 Matt Holliday
    333 Desi Relaford
    334 Jose Hernandez
    336 Jacque Jones
    337 Terrmel Sledge
    340 Brad Wilkerson
    342 Jesse Crain
    343 Orlando Hudson
    344 Laynce Nix
    345 Jose Cruz Jr.
    346 Edgar Renteria
    347 Eddie Guardado
    348 Jerome Williams
    349 Trevor Hoffman
    351 Jason Kendall
    353 Tim Hudson
    354 Paul Quantrill
    355 Jon Lieber
    356 Braden Looper
    357 Chad Cordero
    358 Joe Nathan
    359 Doug Davis
    361 Val Majewski
    362 Francisco Rodriguez
    363 Kelvim Escobar
    366 David Bell
    367 Shea Hillenbrand
    369 Ben Broussard
    371 Dustin Hermanson
    377 Jake Peavy
    379 Sean Burroughs
    380 Rich Harden
    382 John Lackey
    383 Johnny Estrada
    385 Toby Hall
    386 Adam LaRoche
    387 Bill Hall
    388 Tim Salmon
    390 Michael Barrett
    391 Jose Acevedo
    393 J.T. Snow Jr.
    394 Mark Redman
    397 Ramon Ortiz

  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    I remember someone on beckett saying that there were 120 total. im not sure if this is true or not. Thanks for the info!

    Kevin

    PS I might be getting somemore boxes tomorrow but they were from the non-white back cases, so I might wait. I would rather get
    some boxes that had them in it than not.

    Kevin
  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭

    The attention span of the Beckett board is about 5 minutes. Most of those guys will be talking about this weeks release and totally forget about Heritage by Wed.

    This IS the place for serious Heritage collectors.
  • highendhighend Posts: 534 ✭
    i agree with john, the heritage geeks over here will figure it out.

    it won't be long before retail hits...
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  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭
    I busted the 2 Kuhlmann boxes today. I pulled a total of 105 "light backs" from 2 boxes.

    No new additions to the master list...it still remains at 116.

    The only problem with pulling "light backs" is that it makes the coalation of the boxes pretty horrible.

    For example, in 2 boxes, I pulled 4 David Bell "light backs" and 4 Mark Bellhord "light backs", 3 Coco Crisps, etc. etc.

    Pulling alot of light backs really reduces the amount of DIFFERENT cards one pulls in boxes.
  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    were these from the same case that I got boxes from?

    Chris?

    Kevin
  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭
    Joe Stalin-

    Wrong Thread.

  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    tought break on the light backs

    Kevin
  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭
    I have opened 1 hobby and 2 retail and no light backs thus far.....can someone post pics of each so we can see how much difference in color there is?
  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    Barry

    If you stack the cards with all the backs facing the same way then slightly shift the cards you can see noticable differences. You have only
    opened 3 boxes so far so I wouldn't worry!

    Kevin
  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭
    Funny you should say JoeStalin. I opened another box and found quite a handful of them....and I have more than half of what I pulled not on this list. Im figuring they have the entire run below 398 in light backs. Anyway, if any of you are interested, here are the new light backs that are not on the previous list.
    14, 62, 83, 91, 96, 102, 104, 114, 117, 122, 128, 131, 136, 143, 147, 154, 158, 180, 191, 205, 206, 215, 220, 234, 246, 250, 253, 265, 272, 275, 278, 280, 305, 306, 310, 324, 333, 337, 342, 345, 348, 349, 354, 355, 359, 377, 380, 386, 393
  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭
    All of the ones you listed were already on the 220 card master list....I just updated it for this thread.

    I have sent you a PM with my want list.
  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭
    Didnt get your masterlist...I will ask you for one on PM
    Thanks
  • BasiloneBasilone Posts: 2,492 ✭✭

    For the light backs..I updated the list (see below)
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