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au58
au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭
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Look at the fake Seated Dollars, Trade Dollars, 8 Reales and Pesos this guy is pushing. Some have sold for hundreds of dollars. Buyers are going to be upset. Thanks in advance to whoever provides a link.

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&since=7&userid=abusif21&include=0&rows=50&sort=3&completed=1

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  • jdsinva
    jdsinva Posts: 1,508 ✭
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    Link to fakes. . .
    Jeff

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    Semper ubi sub ubi
  • DorkGirl
    DorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
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    Fakes
    Becky
  • darktone
    darktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
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    If you are going to deal outside of the US you should know what your buying and accept the risk of loss- not only from counterfiets but from people that will just flat out keep your money. Not much recourse against people like this. mike
  • Melmcbee
    Melmcbee Posts: 168
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    What screams fake at you about these coins? I am trying to learn. Thanks in advance. image
    Melanie
  • ziggy29
    ziggy29 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭
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    << <i>What screams fake at you about these coins? I am trying to learn. Thanks in advance. image >>

    Usually they appear rough and grainy, and they have a general lack of detail that you'd find with original coins.

    One common method of counterfeiting is through "die transfer". A genuine coin is used to create impressions that become dies for the fake coins. Invariably, some amount of detail is lost in this transfer process. And more often than not, these cast forgeries often have that dull, grainy appearance. If you had the coin in hand, you could notice other things, like the coin being underweight (these are almost always considerably underweight), and that tapping the coin doesn't produce a bell-like sound that tapping the edge of a genuine coin would produce.
  • pharmer
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    Wow, what an incredible amount of effort for such a small return. You have to wonder about the motivation.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

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  • au58
    au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭
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    The seller probably did not make these fakes. I first saw them about 6 or 7 years ago. You could buy them in quantity for about 4 or 5 dollars each. Now, they are probably available for less. The return is significant. The motivation is greed.
  • ziggy29
    ziggy29 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭
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    << <i>Wow, what an incredible amount of effort for such a small return. You have to wonder about the motivation. >>

    If you can sell hundreds or even thousands at just $5 to $10 each, the motivation adds up.
  • Conder101
    Conder101 Posts: 10,536 ✭
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    << <i>If you can sell hundreds or even thousands at just $5 to $10 each, the motivation adds up. >>


    And you have to remember these fakes are coming from China or other southeast Asia where annual income is probably not more than a thousand or two a year. It doesn't take too many sales to make a comfortable living. And the people who then resell them to suckers make a good income as well.
  • mr1931S
    mr1931S Posts: 7,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The single negative feedback is in French. Ebay should be translating feedbacks to English for us. That's the least an American company should be doing for its mostly American customers.

    "Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
    -Albert Einstein-

    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

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