Beautiful Blue 1963D Rosy - NT or AT?

Colorfulcoins · November 25, 2004 6:47AM

Russ · November 25, 2004 6:53AM

I think it's a 50/50 chance the toning is natural, but close to a 100% chance it would be bodybagged.

Russ, NCNE

FC57Coins · November 25, 2004 6:56AM

I'll go for natural - and a 63D FB possibly Craig?

kieferscoins · November 25, 2004 7:29AM

I vote AT.

Cameron Kiefer

FC57Coins · November 25, 2004 7:34AM

<< I vote AT. >>

OK - How did someone make it?

kieferscoins · November 25, 2004 7:36AM

<< NT or AT? >>

I voted.

If you don't know how it could have naturally toned like that then they (PCGS) bag it for AT. The job of a grader is to decide if it is real and grade it if it is, not how the fake toning was made. I don't know how Frank. I am not a coin doctor.

Cameron Kiefer

ER · November 25, 2004 7:38AM

<< 

<< I vote AT. >>

OK - How did someone make it? >>

You mean, how did someone bake it?

Cam40 · November 25, 2004 7:41AM

could have been dipped and `naturally` re-toned.
dipped silver can, and does tone fairl easy.

Russ · November 25, 2004 7:47AM

<< <>

OK - How did someone make it? >>

The better question would be "how did it happen naturally." It does have some of the characteristics of natural toning in some areas, but in other areas the color is off. This isn't a 1950's era dime that would have toned in a sulfur laden mint set. Thus, I have to ask how the color came about. The only thing I can think of would be one of those little aftermarket mint sets - BUT, I've gone through a zillion of them and have never seen toning this strong on both the obverse and reverse.

That said, it's not inconceivable that it happened in an aftermarket holder, which is why I went with 50/50.

Russ, NCNE

coinguy89 · November 25, 2004 8:13AM

I would have to say NT.

DHeath · November 25, 2004 8:25AM

NT for me as well, but the color scheme is more common on Jeffs.

FC57Coins · November 25, 2004 8:27AM

<< The better question would be "how did it happen naturally." It does have some of the characteristics of natural toning in some areas, but in other areas the color is off. This isn't a 1950's era dime that would have toned in a sulfur laden mint set. Thus, I have to ask how the color came about. The only thing I can think of would be one of those little aftermarket mint sets - BUT, I've gone through a zillion of them and have never seen toning this strong on both the obverse and reverse. >>

My bet would be an aftermarket holder or an old Mehrig album with paper behind it. Notice how the toning goes up to the rims of the coin but not over it for the most part. In addition, notice how the lettering in IN GOD WE TRUST, and in most of the reverse is different than the field surrounding it. Finally notice how the coloring around the bottom of the torch and where the mint mark is flows instead of just sitting there. This coin reminds me a lot of one of mine in my registry set:

Russ · November 25, 2004 8:33AM

Frank,

The toning on your example is not nearly as intense and vibrant as that of the subject coin. Yours is an easy call for natural. I don't think it's so cut and dried with the '63-D.

Russ, NCNE

FC57Coins · November 25, 2004 8:40AM

True - not the same - but similar - I just wanted to show the fact that you can have similar toning and color schemes come from album toning. As for the color intensity on Roosevelts, I've seen some pretty "neonic" coins that are from original albums and holders, so that's where my hunch on this one is coming from.

Russ · November 25, 2004 8:48AM

Well, you've dealt with them a lot more than I have so I'm changing from 50/50 to 75/25.

Russ, NCNE

kieferscoins · November 25, 2004 10:12AM

I'm sticking with my gut feeling on this one. Get it in a PCGS slab on the first try and I'll pay the submission fees be it $100 walkthrough or $15 economy.

There you have it.

Cameron Kiefer

FC57Coins · November 25, 2004 10:45AM

OK Craig - I gotcha hooked up!

poptopsRus · November 25, 2004 10:46AM

That coin is really lovely in person. I never sent it in becuase I thought it was a 50/50 weather it would be holdered or bagged even though the surfaces look 100% NT. The luster is great and the color transitions well from blue to purple and really jumps off the coin. I would love to hear if you get it into plastic and I hope it does make it.

Bikingnut · November 25, 2004 12:12PM

I think it's NT. Whitman folders produce toning just like that.

clackamas · November 25, 2004 12:38PM

AT, Chlorine via Clorox for a day (air transfer).

Bear · November 25, 2004 1:18PM

So now were supposed to take the advice of a ferret and a pug dog????

Colorfulcoins · November 25, 2004 2:51PM

Well.......I personally like the reverse toning as NT but its the obverse that rubs me wrong...the "band "of purple bisecting the obverse from 11 o'clock to 5 o'clock is wrong, colors are too vivid, there's no gold on the rims......I'd guess the coins would BB at PCGS.

But I'd sure love to have PCGS give the nod to the coin and have Cameron reinburse for the submission!

onlyroosies · November 25, 2004 3:41PM

Craig, I'm with you, The obverse just doesn't look quite right. But, can the reverse be NT and the
obverse be AT?. I would give the coin a 50/50 shot and risk a $30 submission fee, especially since
Cameron will pay if PC slabs it.

Nick

Russ · November 26, 2004 1:18AM

Geez, now I may have to switch back to 50/50.

Russ, NCNE

MadMonk · November 26, 2004 1:26AM

My first impression was AT, although I'm no expert. I'd have to hold it in hand to see if my impression changes.

kieferscoins · November 26, 2004 1:27AM

Send it in!

Cameron Kiefer

altidman · November 26, 2004 1:32AM

I would think AT, the purple lines on the obverse, then the flow on the reverse I feel is wrong.

Above all, a nice looking coin. I would accept Cameron's offer and sent it in though, what do you have to lose?

Good luck, I hope it does make it into the slab.

altidman

solid · November 26, 2004 1:35AM

She's real purdy!

Colorfulcoins · November 26, 2004 2:57AM

Here's the closest looking NT graded Rosy I have....see the differences?

rainbowroosie · November 28, 2004 4:51AM

Coin is AT....was placed in a high sulpher paper envelope and put in a cointainer with a mixture of vaseline/sulpher to aid the process along....send it in anyway, when it's in a holder it's real whether it is real or NOT!!!!

darktone · November 28, 2004 7:10AM

If it was a 56-P I would say NT(mint set color) or if it was on one side maybe an end roll could explain the color but on both sides? Probably get body bagged even if it was originally toned because it's not normal color for the date. I do like it though

. mike

Colorfulcoins · November 28, 2004 2:26PM

Well......how about this 1955S then????

Beautiful Blue 1963D Rosy - NT or AT?

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