seated dime - IS this a Proof or MS coin? WARN LARGE IMAGES

clackamas · November 24, 2004 12:33PM

I purchased this dime for $140. The scans do not capture the toning right. The obverse toning is blue where it is heavy. The coin, IMO is UNC. Questions: Do all seated dimes, in MS have mirror fields? Is this normal? Is the strong cameo normal? Could this be a proof? It has a strong die clash on the reverse, and since the fields are so mirror like it is showing some hairlines. What is the grade on this coin,? I will say it is UNC all the way, even with my limited experience there is no wear on this coin but the hairlines are present, albeit slight and there are some die polish lines as well.

ldhair · November 24, 2004 12:42PM

The pics too small. Could you make it a little bigger so it would fit on a football field?

I think you got a great deal.

longtimecollector · November 24, 2004 1:14PM

without coin in hand, I wouldn't risk my reputation on it, but if the edges / rims are a true representation, I say Proof

keets · November 24, 2004 1:24PM

hey Clack

these coins are tough since the Mint insisted on using the Proof dies for Circulation strikes to extend their useability. i found a coin at the local dealer's shop that i swore was a proof and it unfortunately was sold before i could get a determination. i wish i could remember what members helped me and where i stuffed the pictures and posts i printed, the attribution of PR/MS all hinged on the shield position, which of the vertical lines in the shield intersect the "1" in the date. that should be able to at least determine if it was struck with a proof die and then it would be a matter of determining the rim/denticle /letter sharpness to know with any certainty.

i'll look around, but these guys are sharp as a tack and i'm sure somebody will come to your aid in due time. maybe with the holiday time off you'll have an answer soon.

al h.

clackamas · November 24, 2004 2:11PM

<< <i>without coin in hand, I wouldn't risk my reputation on it, but if the edges / rims are a true representation, I say Proof >>

That is why I asked. I can easily tell a morgan proof. You look at the rim detail and the denticals. With seated stuff I am a total newb, I don't know jack. I think it may be a proof and may be a cam proof.

clackamas · November 24, 2004 3:07PM

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keets · November 24, 2004 10:42PM

judging from the pictures it would probably grade below 60 if it is indeed a proof, impaired.

al h.

Barry · November 25, 2004 12:05AM

Several of the 1860's dimes have very strong strikes and appear proof-like, and as already stated, the Proof dies were also used for business strikes. I don't think this is a Proof.

That looks like a die scratch between the D and I in DIME. I don't see this listed in Gerry Fortin's die varieties for the 1862. You may want to contact him at info@seateddimevarieties.com and get his opinion.

elwood · November 25, 2004 12:14AM

Without the coin in hand, I would say Business Strike.

jdimmick · November 25, 2004 12:46AM

Looks to be a Buisness strike to me also??

Wolf359 · November 25, 2004 1:09AM

Here's one from Heritage with a line between D & I just like yours. Not conclusive, but certainly interesting.

Trime · November 25, 2004 1:59AM

I believe this is a proof; med level date, open 6/diagonal DL through (DI)ME. Var 102 Fortin; OBV2; RevB: DR1. The key distinction between OBV 1 and 2 is a horizontal die line above liberty in the shield that crosses through shield lines 11-12 < Please check>and a slightly upsloping date(Obv1) < Please check as the coin is rotated in your photo and it does look or give an illusion of an upsloping date>> Rev B has a diagonal die line that goes from the rt bottom of D through the bottom of the bI and into the wreath < This is a fairly fine line and might not be easily seen on your picture>; strangly Fortins examble of Var 102 ( Rev

has what appears to be an identical die crack or line sloping upward and to the east in the middle between D and I in DIME as seen in your coin that he does not mention. If this is a Var1 Rev A; the die pair was used for both proof and business strikes . If Var102 then a proof.
Edited: After further studying the Fortin digitalized reference; I have concluded that sending the picture to Fortin as suggested earlier would be a good strategy.

lathmach · November 25, 2004 4:20AM

My opinion from the picture is that this is a business strike coin.

Ray

clackamas · November 25, 2004 4:33AM

Thanks all,

Trime - there is a diagonal line inside the upper right section of the "D" in "DIME" and the line between "D" and "I" is part of a die clash. and the line you describe betwwen 11-12 of the shield lines does not seem to be there. There is a in the shield between lines 8-9.

seated dime - IS this a Proof or MS coin? WARN LARGE IMAGES

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