Do you guys prefer PCGS or NGC star ?

agentjim007 · November 19, 2004 12:07AM

You have an awesome coin that doesn't need a holder to convince you of the grade. Would you prefer that coin in a PCGS holder or same grade NGC with a star?

tradedollarnut · November 19, 2004 12:15AM

The 1876 trade dollar in my sig line was NGC MS67* and is now PCGS MS67. I prefer it as PCGS for two reasons: The holder has better [thinner? clearer?] plastic which allows the flash of the coin to be better seen and also it can be shown in my Registry set.

agentjim007 · November 19, 2004 12:19AM

Two very good reason but I guess I was thinking more like marketability. Do you think a guy would be more likely to stretch for this PQ coin in PCGS or NGC star? Also assume it's a coin that has equal sheet value.

EVillageProwler · November 19, 2004 12:21AM

Jim,

Being able to enter the coin into the registry is a form of marketability.

EVP

tradedollarnut · November 19, 2004 12:22AM

A very well known dealer crossed it over before Legend bought it for me, so you've got at least one vote.

ziggy29 · November 19, 2004 12:25AM

<< Being able to enter the coin into the registry is a form of marketability. >>

Which is one of the problems I have with registry sets. Sure they can be fun and all, and I have one set up with NGC since I won't drink the Kool-Aid and cross everything -- but IMO, people get way too wrapped up in it and assign too much importance to it.

agentjim007 · November 19, 2004 12:25AM

I'm guessing most people would still pick PCGS but I do like the star designation when the coin is so PQ the holder is not needed.

JrGMan2004 · November 19, 2004 12:57AM

For the coins I collect, I prefer the PCGS holders over NGC/ANACS...

jcping · November 19, 2004 12:58AM

Buy the coin, not the plastic

kryptonitecomics · November 19, 2004 1:02AM

PCGS.....they sell for more in the vast majority of cases. NGC stars are nice, but I don't need NGC to tell me that a coin is pretty

saintguru · November 19, 2004 1:07AM

PCGS anyday. I KNOW if a coin is a "star"!

Russ · November 19, 2004 1:17AM

NGC uses the star to reward exceptional eye appeal. PCGS frequently uses a point bump for the same purpose. I find NGC's approach to be more honest.

Russ, NCNE

coppercoins · November 19, 2004 1:17AM

<< Buy the coin, not the plastic >>

I concur. No holder is best for me.

paigowjohnny · November 19, 2004 1:20AM

The star doesn't really mean that much to me. Coins are both the same grade...and I agree with the grade...then I don't care what holder it's in...if any. (Mind you, I am not a registry player). More and more, I find myself feeling dorkkarl has it right.

ms70 · November 19, 2004 1:23AM

I always felt the "star" was a gimmick.

TonedPeaceNut · November 19, 2004 1:23AM

<< NGC uses the star to reward exceptional eye appeal. PCGS frequently uses a point bump for the same purpose. I find NGC's approach to be more honest. >>

TPN

paigowjohnny · November 19, 2004 1:35AM

<< I always felt the "star" was a gimmick. >>

As are PL and DMPL designations, IMHO.

EVillageProwler · November 19, 2004 1:42AM

PCGS.....they sell for more in the vast majority of cases. NGC stars are nice, but I don't need NGC to tell me that a coin is pretty

???

I don't follow this line of reasoning. The NGC * designation is not to tell YOU that a coin has exceptional eye appeal. Rather, it is more geared towards the sight unseen market where you will want some unbiased professional expert to tell the prospective BUYER that.

Suppose we replace PCGS and NGC with reputable expert dealer A and B, and the coins in question was raw. Which do you think the majority of buyers would choose:

* Coin 1, rated by expert A as being a nice coin.
* Coin 2, same date as above, rated by expert B as being a nice coin with exceptional eye appeal.

EVP

braddick · November 19, 2004 1:46AM

I'd prefer the NGC STAR coin. I have yet to see a STAR coin that wasn't attractive yet have seen plenty, in the same grade with PCGS that are not.

ArtR · November 19, 2004 2:06AM

The NGC Star!

Dennis88 · November 19, 2004 3:02AM

PCGS. The slab is nicer, the company is better, and I just like them more.

Dennis

Hadleydog · November 19, 2004 3:07AM

NGC star. Of course, I would prefer pcgs star!

MrEureka · November 19, 2004 3:15AM

What can a star tell you that you cannot see in a scan?

Russ · November 19, 2004 3:19AM

<< What can a star tell you that you cannot see in a scan? >>

Good point. Scans are always accurate.

Russ, NCNE

Hoot · November 19, 2004 3:22AM

<< NGC uses the star to reward exceptional eye appeal. PCGS frequently uses a point bump for the same purpose. I find NGC's approach to be more honest.

Russ, NCNE >>

Russ states it truthfully.

In the market, NGC* graded coins sell for a premium over those lacking the *. Likewise, PCGS graded coins sell for premium prices over their NGC counterparts on many (not all) occasions. If graded honestly, I definitely prefer the NGC* graded pieces. I have several that I purchased over the internet (sight unseen) and find them exquisite. The few that I've had come back with the designations were, beyond a doubt, vastly surperior in terms of eye appeal. BTW, an NGC graded coin can certainly be PQ without a *.

TDN brings up a good point about the visibility of coins through the PCGS plastic vs. the NGC plastic. Some NGC plastic can be downright obnoxious to look through due to the tooling (finish, whatever) of the surface. With a loupe a person can easily see texture in the surface of their plastic that is distracting to the coin. I do wish that they'd improve that aspect of their slabs.

Hoot

gemtone65 · November 19, 2004 3:25AM

One way to help answer this question is to ask yourself a slightly different one: which population of coins would you want your coin associated with, e.g., a Morgan dollar in PCGS65 or NGC65*? For me, it would be the population of coins that I would tend to find more desirable to acquire pieces from. In the case of a toned high grade Morgan dollar, the choice would have to be the NGC65*. The average level of overall attractiveness would seem to be greater for the NGC65* than for the PCGS65. This ordering may not always prevail for all grades and coin types, but the same reasoning could be effectively applied.

Shamika · November 19, 2004 5:05AM

I'd prefer PCGS sole due to the fact I like the slab better for my collection. However, from a marketability standpoint, I'm indifferent.

relayer · November 19, 2004 5:15AM

I just made a pop 2/0 1955 10c NGC PF69* which seems to be worth only about $150.

Since it is a pop 0 at PCGS for PR69 I will try to cross it over (since not only has NGC graded it a 69, but an outstanding 69 I hope it will)

As a PCGS PR69 pop 1, I hope it would sell for $450+ to a lucky Registry player.

seanq · November 19, 2004 6:21AM

A while back I picked up three partial Mint sets 1956-58 in a Wayte Raymond folder, and some of the coins are high-end and/or incredibly toned. If I'm reading their site right, I can get them graded across the street for the modern coin rate of $11 each, get grades in 21 business days, and possibly get a star on the ones with great eye appeal. I like the PCGS brand of Kool-Aid as much as the next guy, but these coins seem destined for NGC. Do the comments above about the tones Morgan market apply equally to modern toners?

Sean Reynolds

islemangu · November 19, 2004 6:37AM

pcgs...as like the clear holders better than white...not saying though I wouldn't stretch when the right nstar coin comes along.

prooflike · November 19, 2004 7:06AM

I like the PCGS holders because they are clear plastic... the white plastic reflects light and detracts from the coin.

If NGC went to black inserts I might just change my mind...

edited to add: the star is meaning less to me

Do you guys prefer PCGS or NGC star ?

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