searching wheaties & found 1957 BIE error

skydivdav · November 16, 2004 11:10AM

Boy, this forum is great. When you guys suggested a couple nights ago to go back through my wheaties to look for things other than key dates, I took your advice. Twenty minutes and one hundred coins into it I find a 1957 w/ what looks like BIE in Liberty. Pardon my newness, but is that somewhat common? thanks again guys! I have a pretty good pic if I can figure out how to put it on for all to see.
Blue skies!
david

ibzman350 · November 16, 2004 11:13AM

Don't know much about wheaties, but that BIE looks pretty neat.

Herb

skydivdav · November 16, 2004 11:14AM

Ever heard of one zman?

coinguy89 · November 16, 2004 11:27AM

Looks pretty neat skydivdav.

skydivdav · November 16, 2004 11:29AM

thanks scott. i'm getting educated about the bie in the forum archive and on ebay.
it's really neat i found that. back to the wheaties. thanks!

coinguy89 · November 16, 2004 11:33AM

<< thanks scott. i'm getting educated about the bie in the forum archive and on ebay.
it's really neat i found that. back to the wheaties. thanks! >>

Good work. Keep looking, finds like that come not too often.

DorkGirl · November 16, 2004 11:41AM

I like them too, but I can't tell you much about them.

coinguy89 · November 16, 2004 11:43AM

Are they only on the 1955-S?

ldhair · November 16, 2004 11:53AM

I'm thinking the 1995 had a bit of this

Blade · November 16, 2004 12:02PM

Die break between the B and E caused this. Had a guy bring some circulated ones he found while searching some bags. Not sure how common but that 55-S in full red looks awesome!

skydivdav · November 16, 2004 12:31PM

I'm still searching wheats, and after finding the 57 bie picture attached above, i've also seen several filled B's all between 55 and 57. must have been something those two or three years w/ pressure of metalurgy?

skydivdav · November 16, 2004 12:36PM

Sweet Red '55 Becky!!!
did you shoot that?
how can i take a pic like that?

DorkGirl · November 16, 2004 1:06PM

Actually that's a scan, my battery is dead on my camera. For some reason my scanner does a pretty good job with copper.

JRocco · November 16, 2004 1:33PM

They are fairly common. They are caused by die cracks and die breaks. Years ago there were collector clubs (eg The "BIE" Guild) that specialized in these die varieties. The 1950's and 1960's were the boom years for these varieties,but examples can be found right back till 1909. In fact "BIE" is not the only variety. There are examples of "LIB", "IIB", "EIR","RIT", "TIY", and even "TYI" examples. I would hold onto your example and look for more, they are fun to collect. Here is a really cool, and different, "IIB" variety.

skydivdav · November 16, 2004 1:37PM

Thanks for sharing JRocco.
It's pretty exciting to find one!
david

coppercoins · November 16, 2004 11:00PM

They are properly termed as "die errors" since they were not on the die when it was placed into service, as is the case with "die varieties." They are very common as a subject, although particular dies can be difficult to obtain. I have a few hundred of them stashed - for what reason I don't really know since I don't care about them.

JRocco · November 16, 2004 11:16PM

C.D. (as usual) stated it much more correctly than I did. These are error coins, not varieties. I personally enjoy some die breaks that lead to filled or clogged letters or numbers. All this is the result of just plain enjoying "Looking Thru Lincoln Cents"

coppercoins · November 17, 2004 12:32AM

JRocco - in case you didn't already know, the 1955S you photographed in that last post is 1955S-1MM-002, S/S East. It is quite common, but one of the tell tale markers for the later die states is that break in the first 5 of the date. In fact, eventually, as your coin shows, both 5s break out at the top.

errormaven · November 18, 2004 12:38AM

<< They are properly termed as "die errors" since they were not on the die when it was placed into service, as is the case with "die varieties." They are very common as a subject, although particular dies can be difficult to obtain. I have a few hundred of them stashed - for what reason I don't really know since I don't care about them. >>

Thank you, Charles. Your definition of "die variety" and "die error" conform to mine. It always frustrates me when clashed dies, counterclashes, die abrasion "errors", die damage, cuds, etc. are called "varieties" when none of them were present at installation.

coppercoins · November 18, 2004 1:24AM

<< Thank you, Charles. Your definition of "die variety" and "die error" conform to mine. It always frustrates me when clashed dies, counterclashes, die abrasion "errors", die damage, cuds, etc. are called "varieties" when none of them were present at installation. >>

Thank Arnold Margolis, Alan Herbert, and John Wexler. It is their publishing on the subject during my youth, and my being able to read and understand what they wrote that gave me a very clear definition to use. The differences are actually very simple if people take the time to learn them. I had the opportunity to share dinner with Arnold Margolis over the summer. I discussed this subject with him, and not only does he agree with me, but he had some choice words for the people who try to muddy the waters by boasting themselves as authors and educators without knowing the differences themselves. He likes it when people have their crap together before publishing their writing, so as not to waste other people's time publishing on a subject they don't understand.

errormaven · November 18, 2004 1:34AM

[qI had the opportunity to share dinner with Arnold Margolis over the summer. He had some choice words for the people who try to muddy the waters by boasting themselves as authors and educators without knowing the differences themselves. He likes it when people have their crap together before publishing their writing, so as not to waste other people's time publishing on a subject they don't understand. >>

Arnie also tends to say this about anybody who doesn't agree with him. Anybody has the right to publish as long as they make a logical argument supported by physical, statistical, historical, and testimonial evidence. I've seen some quick studies among newbies who've managed to out-think veterans with 30 years under their belts.

kieferscoins · November 21, 2004 12:49AM

How much are they worth?

Cameron Kiefer

Mercfan · October 21, 2012 12:11PM

Thanks to Becky for posting the scan of her 1955-S BIE error back in 2004!

I found one of these today in a junk box at the local coin show. It's every bit as red as the example that Becky posted, and clearly a product of the same die.

I searched "BIE error" just to see if anyone else had seen the BIE error in a 55-S, and PRESTO, there was Becky's image.

Gotta love this forum as a handy source of helpful information! Thanks, PCGS!

LanceNewmanOCC · October 21, 2012 12:21PM

<< Gotta love this forum as a handy source of helpful information! Thanks, PCGS!

>>

ty and kudos for using the archives.
kudos to skydivdav back in 2004 as well

<< thanks scott. i'm getting educated about the bie in the forum archive >>

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