I would guess that it is was a mint state modern Commemorative probably a $5.00 gold. NGC was the first TPGS to recognize the MS70 grade. PCGS followed suit a few months later. I would guess that NGC first recognized the MS70 grade around 1997-1998.
edited to add...I thought you meant which was the first coin to be certified MS70. Instead you meant the earliest dated coin graded MS70
I would say that their is most certainly a 19th Century type coin that has graded out MS70.....I know I have seen seated dime that were MS-68 and MS69 so I would imagine something from the mid to late 1800's could concievably have made it to MS70, but I would guess we are talking about a population of just a handful of coins.
<< <i>I would say that their is most certainly a 19th Century type coin that has graded out MS70. >>
I don't think so. I don't have pop reports with me, but I don't believe there's even a certified MS70 coin from the first half of the 20th century much less from the 19th century. PCGS, ANACS, or NGC certified that is.
I have no idea for services besides Pcgs. Just thumbing through the pop's quickly it looks like the oldest PR-70 coins are a dime at 1960 and quarter at 1961. For 19th century even in MS-69 the best I can find is 6 Morgans all dated 1880 (S). Sure shows the big difference mint quality of moderns vs 19th century.
There are a few 83/84 Olympic Dollars in PCGS-MS70 and the earliest half dollar Commem in PCGS-MS70 is the 1986 Statue of Liberty Half Dollar Commem. There is also a few 1984 Olympic $5 Gold PCGS-MS70 coins as I recall.
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That is pretty amazing. First of all, for the mint to have produced a coin in 1793 that would grade MS69, then for it to have survived in that state for over 200 years...seems pretty amazing to me. Same with the gold dollars. I'm surprised about the dates though...to my knowledge (which is very limited) these little dollars circulated quite a bit in their early days, but many from the 1880's were put away. I would have expected the 69's to come from the 1880's. Regardless, that is pretty amazing.
Great question. Seems that there could be many 68's and 69's, but MS70?. I would wager that the first date graded MS70 is very modern. Probably 1970 or later.
<< <i>Great question. Seems that there could be many 68's and 69's, but MS70?. I would wager that the first date graded MS70 is very modern. Probably 1970 or later.
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I don't believe any regular issue moderns have graded MS-70. In fact except for a small handful of ultra-moderns and a few others cents, I don't believe there are any MS-69's either.
<< <i><< There is a 1793 large cent graded MS69. >>
That is pretty amazing. First of all, for the mint to have produced a coin in 1793 that would grade MS69, then for it to have survived in that state for over 200 years...seems pretty amazing to me. Same with the gold dollars. I'm surprised about the dates though...to my knowledge (which is very limited) these little dollars circulated quite a bit in their early days, but many from the 1880's were put away. I would have expected the 69's to come from the 1880's. Regardless, that is pretty amazing. >>
That must be the one they call "The Coin". I haven't seen it, but I have seen an MS67 BN Chain cent. Pretty impressive.
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<< <i><< << There is a 1793 large cent graded MS69. >>
That is pretty amazing. First of all, for the mint to have produced a coin in 1793 that would grade MS69, then for it to have survived in that state for over 200 years...seems pretty amazing to me. Same with the gold dollars. I'm surprised about the dates though...to my knowledge (which is very limited) these little dollars circulated quite a bit in their early days, but many from the 1880's were put away. I would have expected the 69's to come from the 1880's. Regardless, that is pretty amazing. >>
That must be the one they call "The Coin". I haven't seen it, but I have seen an MS67 BN Chain cent. Pretty impressive. >>
Yes, it is known as "The Coin". And an impressive coin it is! However, I don't believe it would grade MS70 by EAC standards since the coin is not full red.
<< <i>I guess since the roosies are so small, there is less chance of them getting hit. If they do get hit, they are so small you wouldn't even see it. >>
There's a reason why most $20 Libs look like they went through a shredder.
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edited to add...I thought you meant which was the first coin to be certified MS70. Instead you meant the earliest dated coin graded MS70
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<< <i>I would say that their is most certainly a 19th Century type coin that has graded out MS70. >>
I don't think so. I don't have pop reports with me, but I don't believe there's even a certified MS70 coin from the first half of the 20th century much less from the 19th century. PCGS, ANACS, or NGC certified that is.
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<< <i>There is a 1793 large cent graded MS69. >>
That is pretty amazing. First of all, for the mint to have produced a coin in 1793 that would grade MS69, then for it to have survived in that state for over 200 years...seems pretty amazing to me. Same with the gold dollars. I'm surprised about the dates though...to my knowledge (which is very limited) these little dollars circulated quite a bit in their early days, but many from the 1880's were put away. I would have expected the 69's to come from the 1880's. Regardless, that is pretty amazing.
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<< <i>There is a 1793 large cent graded MS69. >>
In fact, isn't this one recognized as MS-70 by EAC?
I think there is a Morgan in the pop report as MS70, but it's a clerical error.
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<< <i>Great question. Seems that there could be many 68's and 69's, but MS70?. I would wager that the first date graded MS70 is very modern. Probably 1970 or later.
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I don't believe any regular issue moderns have graded MS-70. In fact except for
a small handful of ultra-moderns and a few others cents, I don't believe there are
any MS-69's either.
<< <i><< There is a 1793 large cent graded MS69. >>
That is pretty amazing. First of all, for the mint to have produced a coin in 1793 that would grade MS69, then for it to have survived in that state for over 200 years...seems pretty amazing to me. Same with the gold dollars. I'm surprised about the dates though...to my knowledge (which is very limited) these little dollars circulated quite a bit in their early days, but many from the 1880's were put away. I would have expected the 69's to come from the 1880's. Regardless, that is pretty amazing. >>
That must be the one they call "The Coin". I haven't seen it, but I have seen an MS67 BN Chain cent. Pretty impressive.
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<< <i>So, excluding commems, the answer is none? >>
Looks like. It wouldn't be very surprising if an '87 to date Lincoln doesn't break the barrier some day. Roosies are also possible.
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<< <i>So, excluding commems, the answer is none? >>
Looks like. It wouldn't be very surprising if an '87 to date Lincoln doesn't break the barrier some day. Roosies are also possible. >>
Wow, nice prediction Cladking!
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When I said there might be a Roosevelt I didn't mean to imply it was as likely as a cent and the dime would be ultra-modern.
2003 would be it.
What's the grade of Rare Coin Wholesalers' 1794 "First Strike" Silver Dollar ?
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<< <i>What's the grade of Rare Coin Wholesalers' 1794 "First Strike" Silver Dollar ? >>
Are you referring to the former Neil/Carter specimen claimed to be the first strike? I believe PCGS graded that one SP66.
<< <i><< << There is a 1793 large cent graded MS69. >>
That is pretty amazing. First of all, for the mint to have produced a coin in 1793 that would grade MS69, then for it to have survived in that state for over 200 years...seems pretty amazing to me. Same with the gold dollars. I'm surprised about the dates though...to my knowledge (which is very limited) these little dollars circulated quite a bit in their early days, but many from the 1880's were put away. I would have expected the 69's to come from the 1880's. Regardless, that is pretty amazing. >>
That must be the one they call "The Coin". I haven't seen it, but I have seen an MS67 BN Chain cent. Pretty impressive. >>
Yes, it is known as "The Coin". And an impressive coin it is! However, I don't believe it would grade MS70 by EAC standards since the coin is not full red.
<< <i>I guess since the roosies are so small, there is less chance of them getting hit. If they do get hit, they are so small you wouldn't even see it. >>
There's a reason why most $20 Libs look like they went through a shredder.
<< <i>What is the date of the oldest SEGS graded coin ? Every SEGS slab I've ever seen was MS70. >>
<< <i>What is the date of the oldest SEGS graded coin ? Every SEGS slab I've ever seen was MS70. >>
I think you mean SGS. Though I understand they've diversified their grades down to at least 67 now.
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Oldest Commem: 1986-D Statue of Libery
....and who really regards these as MS anyway?
Obviously the 2003 MS70 cent hasn't hit my print copy of the pop report yet.
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<< <i>What's the grade of Rare Coin Wholesalers' 1794 "First Strike" Silver Dollar ? >>
Are you referring to the former Neil/Carter specimen claimed to be the first strike? I believe PCGS graded that one SP66. >>
Yup, that's the one. I grade it MS70...because.... its an unbeivaable coin.
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