Is this machine doubling or something else?

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mr1931S
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If this '69 S cent is an example of machine or ejection doubling why is the "1" doubled to the "north" and the other three digits doubled "east?" Wouldn't all digits in the date of a machine doubled coin be doubled in the same direction? Also, the mintmark appears to me to be doubled to the "west." Does anyone know how these seemingly inconsistent with each other doublings can happen when a coin is machine doubled?

"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-

Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

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  • ldhair
    ldhair Posts: 7,460 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nice x.image
    Larry

  • coinguy89
    coinguy89 Posts: 2,151
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    The photo isn't showing up.
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  • poorguy
    poorguy Posts: 4,317 ✭
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    I'd say something else, more in the neighborhood of 'Big Rex X'. image
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  • mr1931S
    mr1931S Posts: 7,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    "Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
    -Albert Einstein-

    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

  • mr1931S
    mr1931S Posts: 7,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Sorry guys. Something is wrong, very, very wrong with my boomspeed. I'm hoping I can get the pic of my odd '69 S posted soon.image

    "Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
    -Albert Einstein-

    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

  • anoldgoat
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    Beer
    Alright! Who removed the cork from my lunch?

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  • ldhair
    ldhair Posts: 7,460 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    boomspeed.
    Larry

  • Peaceman
    Peaceman Posts: 5,098
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    Looks like lower case "L" doublingimage
  • mr1931S
    mr1931S Posts: 7,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    "Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
    -Albert Einstein-

    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

  • JRocco
    JRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Sorry to say- its machine doubling.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • mr1931S
    mr1931S Posts: 7,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    "Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
    -Albert Einstein-

    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

  • JRocco
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    Here is an example of one of mine.
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    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • mr1931S
    mr1931S Posts: 7,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Okay, machine doubling but why is the "1" doubled to the "north" and the other three digits doubled "east?" Wouldn't all digits in the date of a machine doubled coin be doubled in the same direction? Also, the mintmark appears to me to be doubled to the "west."

    "Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
    -Albert Einstein-

    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

  • astrorat
    astrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The apparent doubling is the result of machine or strike doubling. This can be determined due to the lack of split serifs in the numbers. Since the mintmarks were not part of the hub, but were placed individually into each die, the mintmark can be doubled with the die being doubled. It is interesting, however, that the strike doubling appears not to be in the same "direction".

    Lane
    Numismatist Ordinaire
    See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
  • mr1931S
    mr1931S Posts: 7,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The "S" on top is left or "west" of the underlying "S." Could my coin be machine doubled with a RPM?

    "Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
    -Albert Einstein-

    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

  • astrorat
    astrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That is certainly possible, but without a clear photo of the mintmark, I could not comment.

    Lane
    Numismatist Ordinaire
    See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
  • Murphy
    Murphy Posts: 903 ✭
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    Machine Doubling, just like mine that I asked about earlier this year...
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  • mr1931S
    mr1931S Posts: 7,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm going to attempt a closeup of the mintmark with my Coolpix. Back later with boomspeed willing. My Coolpix will be going to a place hitherto unknown.

    "Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
    -Albert Einstein-

    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

  • mr1931S
    mr1931S Posts: 7,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Great pic, Murphy. Your date looks like mine. Mintmark does not.

    "Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
    -Albert Einstein-

    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

  • mr1931S
    mr1931S Posts: 7,308 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Was unable to get suitable image of mintmark only on my '69 S. I have a few more of the '69 S with the machine doubling evident on some but not all digits of the date and "LIBERTY." It seems to me now that none of my coins have "direction" inconsistency since I took a closer look at them with my loupe last evening. I'm thinking the ejection doubling on my coin shown in this thread is all "northeast." The mintmark does not have to the "west" doubling now that I look at it closer. It does have doubling, looks kind of like a messed "3" with all those serifs mingling.

    Thanks to all who posted images. I would suggest to Murphy, and this is only a suggestion, that you put "fake" or "altered" underneath your pic of 1914 D lincoln that shows up everytime you post. I've seen these on ebay offered as genuine and a new member of the forum with little or no experience in counterfeit detection might get the idea that your coin is genuine and subsequently purchase one that looks similar thinking he or she has gotten ahold of a real one.

    "Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
    -Albert Einstein-

    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

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