Thanks for the clarification. I'll give it a try with a 1953T Eddie Matthews PSA 9oc that I feel is borderline on the qualifier and could be straight 8.
<< <i>Although the oc qualifier equals a 2 point hit on the registry, it does not automatically euqate to a 2 grade hit on the card if no qualifiers is requested. A PSA 8oc that is submitted with the request of no qualifiers may come back as a PSA 7. >>
when GAI started i was excited about the idea of a potential viable competitor for PSA. competition often has a way of bringing out the best in everyone. i think PSA may have been concerned primarily because of the well known names behind GAI. at the time of GAI's debut i was working on 60 and 62 topps bb in solid NM form. i picked up a number of star cards from both issues that were graded by GAI , i had intended to crack them anyway but as they arrived it was evident these 7's and 7.5 had no chance of any kind of PSA upgrade potential and quite frankly most of them would have been psa 6's if i decided to send them to newport beach. as time wore on the trend continued, i won a 72 topps 9.5 gem mint astros team card figuring maybe i'd get a 9 out of it on a crack and cross (BTW, the price was less then a quarter of what a PSA 10 would sell for). the card arrived partially out of the gasket (it wasn't that way when it was pictured in the auction) and was high end psa 8 material at best. so ended my interest in graded GAI cards, i would still by graded packs but never another card.
"3) Look at the last Mastronet auction and you will see that, for the most part, the prices for GAI graded cards is right in line with PSA." Here are some results from Mastronet, where the exact same graded PSA and GAI cards were in the auctions.
Pete Rose 1963 Topps Rookie GAI Mint 9 - final selling price $8536 Pete Rose 1963 Topps Rookie PSA Mint 9 - final selling price $7760 *Rose with two serial numbers the GAI card sold for one bid more - both closed at the same time
Sandy Koufax 1955 Topps Rookie GAI 8 NMMT - final selling price $1321 Sandy Koufax 1955 Topps Rookie PSA 8 NMMT - final selling price $3123 Sandy Koufax 1955 Topps Rookie GAI 8.5 MINT - final selling price $3215 wow! The GAI 8 was very low end, but I am surprised there was no edge for the GAI 8.5
Mickey Mantle 1956 Topps GAI MINT 9 - final selling price $6559 Mickey Mantle 1956 Topps PSA MINT 9 - final selling price $8733 big discrepency which is the opposite of the last auction when I believe the GAI card sold for significantly more
Ted Williams 1949 Leaf SGC 8.5 NMMT - final selling price $5768 Ted Williams 1949 Leaf PSA 8 NMMT - final selling price $5768 no extra value for the half grade
1949 LEAF MINT CARDS
Jackie Robinson 1949 Leaf SGC 9 MINT SMR - $32,500 - final selling price $22399 Babe Ruth 1949 Leaf PSA 9 MINT SMR - $30,000 - final selling price $32816 Ted Williams 1949 Leaf GAI 9 MINT SMR - $25,000 - final selling price $9934 Babe Ruth 1949 Leaf SGC 8 NMMT SMR - $6500 - final selling price $5768 The GAI 9 Williams went awfully low especially in comparison to the 8, and 8.5 above
Very small sampling but a comparison of when the same cards are offered. There were no other comparable examples that I found.
<< <i>6. GAI lets you specify your grade or you don't pay. PSA doesn't play this nonsense. Tying income to specific grades kills any credibility at GAI. >>
Has something changed drastically at GAI in recent weeks? Last I knew, under their pre-grade program you pay $5 to get the card graded and you can see the result online. If you want the card slabbed at that grade you pay another $5. If not, you get the card back unslabbed but not your initial $5. I never heard of "specify your grade or you don't pay" at GAI. I wish I could verify this, but I can't seem to get to their Web site today.
jrdolan...my sentiments exactly...GAI does not offer me a "no-fee" per card if the card doesn't meet my grade. They do have a pre-grade service though. The fee is 5.00.
First off PSA offers major dealers discounts as well as gai does anyone who does not know this by now must have their heads up their rear ends. Ctsoxfan has been on these boards screaming about tuttle and others getting preferential treatment know he is saying that he doesnt like gai because he claims it goes on their????? how many cards have you submitted to both i am in the thousands to each company and can tell you that there are areas where psa is more, YES MORE, lenient then gai and there are areas where gai is more lenient then psa i will go to any major show and bet you any amount of money you can get a hell of alot more then 2% to cross my guesstimate would be 80-85% both ways gai to psa and psa to gai. Many major dealers are using gai because they know they HAVE BETTER (MORE KNOWLEDGABLE AND EXPERIENCED) graders!!!!!!!!!!!!! THESE Major dealers have hundreds of thousands to million invested and expect to get the grades the cards deserve and Just about everyone who is on here has gotten the grader of death and then goes on here bit*hing... They (GAI, PSA) are both respected companies who have made some mistakes but are the only two i see knowledgable dealers using and to a lesser extent sgc. Comparing the number listed on ebay is almost moronic at this point the other companies have been around approximately a decade while gai has been around a couple of years, gee you think they might have a little bit of a head stART? Lest you think i dont know what iam talking about i worked 5 years for the number one vintage submitter to psa and have graded cards at psa for a time in 1999. I think its funny thAT alot of the cards you guys droll over in the collections of davallilo, fogel, and siegel were graded by MIKE Baker and the best years of pSA in submissions price and presence in the hobby where overseen by STEVE rocchi. Also blasting them cause their registry or forums are not yet up on the website, so what,how many years was PSA touting the tall boy holders before they actually came out?? I am more concerned with their expertise, wich GAI crushes psa on then i am with thier chat rooms. WHO AT PSA HAS ANYWHERE NEAR THE RECOGNITION IN GRADING AS MIKE BAKER and if you answer JOE ORLANDO I MAY FALL OVER LAUGHING JOE IS A GOOD GUY BUT HES NO BAKER. GAI DOES NOT OFFER A PROGRAM WHERE YOU ONLY PAY FOR THE GRADES YOU LIKE SOME OFF THE LIBELOUS CRAP YOU PEOPLE SPOUT UNDER THE I HEARD" " IS HYSTERICAL!!!! GAI And PSA are both here to stay but GAI is gaining on them if you have followed this business/hobby with anywhere near the astuteness i have over the past 25 years you can see it coming. JUST check the prices on 1952 Topps MAntles many GAI cards have outsold their PSA counterparts in the past couple months, as featured in last weeks SCD. I hope you all enjoy your cards and get over your fears of a quality organization.
<< <i>Comparing the number listed on ebay is almost moronic at this point the other companies have been around approximately a decade while gai has been around a couple of years, gee you think they might have a little bit of a head stART? >>
How else would one judge market share? By looking at a few select major auctions?
What accounts for Beckett's overwhelming lead over GAI? Did Beckett have a ten year head start too? There is no question that GAI is better than Beckett at grading vintage cards. At the same time, however, it would be hard to dispute that modern collectors have completely ignored GAI as a grading entity.
WELL THEY'RE DUMB ENOUGH TO COLLECT MODERN SO I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THEIR OPINION ON GRADING KOBY AND THE WAY GAI HAS PARTIALLY IGNORED THE MODERN MARKET EXPLAINS THE DIFFERENCE IN # OF CARDS LISTED PLUS MANY LIST BCCG AS BGS SO THAT INFLATES THE BGS NUMBER AS WELL AND BY THE WAY MANY GRADED 9.5 BGS CARDS ARE TRIMMED
<< <i> GAI DOES NOT OFFER A PROGRAM WHERE YOU ONLY PAY FOR THE GRADES YOU LIKE SOME OFF THE LIBELOUS CRAP YOU PEOPLE SPOUT UNDER THE I HEARD" " IS HYSTERICAL!!!! >>
This is horrible. Just what are trying to say here?
1) Don't eat wild berries no matter how tempting they appear. 2) There are many high functioning Tourettes patients in society today. Set a goal. 3) Energy is positive if you're a battery. Energy doesn't mean much if you're a raving lunatic.
I (Swear on the St. James Bible) submitted cards and didn't have to pay unless the GAI grades crossed over. I am not a dealer.
Know I have about a 50/50 ratio in PSA cards to GAI cards. I'm speaking from my experience. I'm not a liar. I think my posts speak for that. I simply give commentary on what I see. GAI had an open window to really make inroads in this grading game. They failed due to laziness, fudging return dates and abandoning any grading scale requirements they set up. It's true Bake and Drinkwater graded most the cards during the early days at PSA. This puts them in a very odd position. If they change the grade on a card they've evaluated, they've admitted they got it wrong the first time. They have the luxury of doing this with crossovers because they are not PSA anymore. PSA must regrade cards raw.
Here's the point that no one seems to understand - Grading companies don't care about us at all. They are a business. We are simple folk bitten by the baseball card bug. They do what's best for them. The best examples of many cards do not sit in the highest grade slab. Dealers wil always submit larger groups of cards. We can't compete. Also, with PSA, missing a grade means resubs which means extra dollars. Grading is a losing proposition. Thus, whatever company you choose, you are at a disadvantage.
We are all on the same side. By keeping us at war, we are unable to concentrate our attention in the proper direction. Poor grades can keep you up at night. I guarantee you the graders don't lose a minute of sleep. They are 9 to 5 employees. We're all fighting the same fight. If we took the time to ask the right questions of each of the grading companies and built a compendium of our misgraded cards, we'd have a chance. However, angry accusations and self-serving posts bolstering your grading company of choice only polarizes us. If you want to organzie and pursue the truth, let's figure out a system. Otherwise, let's save ourselves the energy we waste on these posts. We are a million different parties with a million different agendas. Until we unite, there's no hope of getting to the bottom of all the b.s.. And, believe me, there's different types of bs going on at PSA, GAI and SGC.
You won't hear from me on this topic anymore. If you want to begin to recognize we are brothers and not enemies, I'll help in any way I can.
scumbi...I agree to an extent that grading companies run a business and need to make a profit---that's their primary goal. But I think you are placing too much gloom and doom on this.
To say grading companies do not care about the customer is missing the point imo. If they didn't care about the customer, then that would affect their ultimate success as a business. People like Joe Orlando, Steve Rocchi, Mike Baker, and Sean Skeffington are passionate about the hobby---they are not mindless robot, money-making machines. I think they love the hobby and their jobs as much as we like to collect.
Does that mean they're not going to pi-s us off sometimes? Sure they will. It comes with the territory in a business-to-customer relationship sometimes--everything isn't always going to be lovey-dovey.
It's very alarming to see how many GAI Bashers and Global-phobes we have on this board.
Sure, there's a wide spread epidemic of GAI cards with AIDS (alignment inflection disorder syndrome - the problem of cards falling out of the internal gasket), but advocacy groups have claimed that this epidemic was the result of a conspiracy perpetuated by Ronald Reagan back in the early '80s.
But lest I digress from the original topic, NO! GAI cards are not for dealers only. Collectors and dealers alike are coming out of the closet and openly embracing the GAI hobby lifestyle of graded cards, graded wax packs and graded rack packs and so on.
This coming Monday, or maybe the next Monday, or perhaps the Monday after that, Steve Rocchi and Mike Baker will be leading the GAI Pride Parade and collectors and dealers alike will be marching through the streets of Santa Ana, California to celebrate the GAI hobby lifestyle!
George's past GA auctions show no indication that there's much of a demand from the basic collecting public for a GA card. A few difficult cards are going to sell to PSA collectors looking to win the crossover lottery, but most of the stuff is too cheap and easy to find already in PSA to have to mess with an expensive crossover. A few desperate sellers can scream all they want about how up and coming GA is and how they are just as good as PSA, but the more you know how powerful the PSA market is the less you need to start reinventing the way people have decided they want to collect. Nobody is arguing that GA is incapable of grading a card but who gives a hoot about it after they do. How long can you afford to run low$ GA auctions that don't sell. PSA cards pay bills.
<< <i>George's past GA auctions show no indication that there's much of a demand from the basic collecting public for a GA card. A few difficult cards are going to sell to PSA collectors looking to win the crossover lottery, but most of the stuff is too cheap and easy to find already in PSA to have to mess with an expensive crossover. A few desperate sellers can scream all they want about how up and coming GA is and how they are just as good as PSA, but the more you know how powerful the PSA market is the less you need to start reinventing the way people have decided they want to collect. Nobody is arguing that GA is incapable of grading a card but who gives a hoot about it after they do. How long can you afford to run low$ GA auctions that don't sell. PSA cards pay bills. >>
I hope it never comes to the point where no one wants to grade and sell GAI cards (or SGC for that matter). The day when PSA becomes the only player in town is the day when all of us can expect to pay 20.00 a card for 45 service period. I hope those days never come.
Competition is what is keeping grading fees moderately reasonable at this point. Be careful of what you wish for, it may come true.
<< <i>There is allegations/conjecture that the purchaser of the 1952 Topps wax box is unhappy with his purchase, and has called to question the validity/merits of the graded packs. >>
It would be a shame if the purchaser of the 1952 Topps box is not happy with his puchase. He spent a boatload of money.....$208,739.95, which is equivalent to $8,697.50 per pack, for the darn thing. >>
I know and have spoken with the purchaser of the wax box, and he is very happy with the purchase.
H. Walker >>
chew/ h. walker
Why is your friend selling the wax box so soon if he is very happy with the purhcase?
Star cards graded by GAI or SGC will do far better compared to PSA star cards than commons graded by GAI or SGC will do compared to PSA commons. The market for star cards is driven by player collectors and HOF collectors. The market for commons is driven by graded set collectors. In large part because of the Set Registry, the significant majority of these people grade with PSA only. Consider how most of us search. Except for exceptionally difficult cards, we're not going to search for a common by name raw on eBay, and we're not likely to search GAI if we're looking for a card to fill in a spot in a PSA set. On a Mantle, Mays, etc., we're far more likely to search by player name and year, and bring up both raw and graded cards.
Furthermore, the relative price of commons and stars to the grading fee gives very little incentive to engage in crossovers/crackouts of commons with even most 8s from the 1960s on. Star cards are a different story.
<< <i>There is allegations/conjecture that the purchaser of the 1952 Topps wax box is unhappy with his purchase, and has called to question the validity/merits of the graded packs. >>
It would be a shame if the purchaser of the 1952 Topps box is not happy with his puchase. He spent a boatload of money.....$208,739.95, which is equivalent to $8,697.50 per pack, for the darn thing. >>
I know and have spoken with the purchaser of the wax box, and he is very happy with the purchase.
H. Walker >>
chew/ h. walker
Why is your friend selling the wax box so soon if he is very happy with the purhcase?
koby >>
Not that it is any of our concern, I am going to tell you so it stops the rumors and it will not affect the future of the packs. The purchaser had an unexpected serious illness in his family. He is going to incur major medical expenses. He felt it was better to sell some packs than to take $$ from his kids education funds. Do you blame him? I hope this answers your question.
Is it true that there is some kind of litigation surrounding these packs? Either against GAI or against Mastro or someone? Or is that a rumor also?
koby >>
I can not swear to this but to my knowledge there is no litigation.
I do know from what I am told there will be another incredible lot from the same source in the next Mastro auction, and these packs were just graded by GAI.
So I doubt there is any litigation, since you have the same grading company, the same auction house and the same consigner all involved again.
<< <i>I do know from what I am told there will be another incredible lot from the same source in the next Mastro auction, and these packs were just graded by GAI. >>
Same source? You mean the same boy who socked away some vintage packs that his father had purchased for him?
<< <i>I do know from what I am told there will be another incredible lot from the same source in the next Mastro auction, and these packs were just graded by GAI. >>
Same source? You mean the same boy who socked away some vintage packs that his father had purchased for him? >>
I have no idea who it is. Just that it is the same consigner.
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<< <i>Although the oc qualifier equals a 2 point hit on the registry, it does not automatically euqate to a 2 grade hit on the card if no qualifiers is requested. A PSA 8oc that is submitted with the request of no qualifiers may come back as a PSA 7. >>
at the time of GAI's debut i was working on 60 and 62 topps bb in solid NM form. i picked up a number of star cards from both issues that were graded by GAI , i had intended to crack them anyway but as they arrived it was evident these 7's and 7.5 had no chance of any kind of PSA upgrade potential and quite frankly most of them would have been psa 6's if i decided to send them to newport beach.
as time wore on the trend continued, i won a 72 topps 9.5 gem mint astros team card figuring maybe i'd get a 9 out of it on a crack and cross (BTW, the price was less then a quarter of what a PSA 10 would sell for). the card arrived partially out of the gasket (it wasn't that way when it was pictured in the auction) and was high end psa 8 material at best. so ended my interest in graded GAI cards, i would still by graded packs but never another card.
Here are some results from Mastronet, where the exact same graded PSA and GAI cards were in the auctions.
Pete Rose 1963 Topps Rookie GAI Mint 9 - final selling price $8536
Pete Rose 1963 Topps Rookie PSA Mint 9 - final selling price $7760 *Rose with two serial numbers
the GAI card sold for one bid more - both closed at the same time
Sandy Koufax 1955 Topps Rookie GAI 8 NMMT - final selling price $1321
Sandy Koufax 1955 Topps Rookie PSA 8 NMMT - final selling price $3123
Sandy Koufax 1955 Topps Rookie GAI 8.5 MINT - final selling price $3215
wow! The GAI 8 was very low end, but I am surprised there was no edge for the GAI 8.5
Mickey Mantle 1956 Topps GAI MINT 9 - final selling price $6559
Mickey Mantle 1956 Topps PSA MINT 9 - final selling price $8733
big discrepency which is the opposite of the last auction when I believe the GAI card sold for significantly more
Ted Williams 1949 Leaf SGC 8.5 NMMT - final selling price $5768
Ted Williams 1949 Leaf PSA 8 NMMT - final selling price $5768
no extra value for the half grade
1949 LEAF MINT CARDS
Jackie Robinson 1949 Leaf SGC 9 MINT SMR - $32,500 - final selling price $22399
Babe Ruth 1949 Leaf PSA 9 MINT SMR - $30,000 - final selling price $32816
Ted Williams 1949 Leaf GAI 9 MINT SMR - $25,000 - final selling price $9934
Babe Ruth 1949 Leaf SGC 8 NMMT SMR - $6500 - final selling price $5768
The GAI 9 Williams went awfully low especially in comparison to the 8, and 8.5 above
Very small sampling but a comparison of when the same cards are offered. There were no other comparable examples that I found.
<< <i>6. GAI lets you specify your grade or you don't pay. PSA doesn't play this nonsense. Tying income to specific grades kills any credibility at GAI. >>
Has something changed drastically at GAI in recent weeks? Last I knew, under their pre-grade program you pay $5 to get the card graded and you can see the result online. If you want the card slabbed at that grade you pay another $5. If not, you get the card back unslabbed but not your initial $5. I never heard of "specify your grade or you don't pay" at GAI. I wish I could verify this, but I can't seem to get to their Web site today.
Silver Coins
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e-mail: grilloj39@gmail.com
<< <i>Comparing the number listed on ebay is almost moronic at this point the other companies have been around approximately a decade while gai has been around a couple of years, gee you think they might have a little bit of a head stART? >>
How else would one judge market share? By looking at a few select major auctions?
What accounts for Beckett's overwhelming lead over GAI? Did Beckett have a ten year head start too? There is no question that GAI is better than Beckett at grading vintage cards. At the same time, however, it would be hard to dispute that modern collectors have completely ignored GAI as a grading entity.
<< <i>Bottom line is that GAI's flip is ugly so people don't bid. >>
oKAY.
<< <i> GAI DOES NOT OFFER A PROGRAM WHERE YOU ONLY PAY FOR THE GRADES YOU LIKE SOME OFF THE LIBELOUS CRAP YOU PEOPLE SPOUT UNDER THE I HEARD" " IS HYSTERICAL!!!! >>
This is horrible. Just what are trying to say here?
A few words of advice -
1) Don't eat wild berries no matter how tempting they appear.
2) There are many high functioning Tourettes patients in society today. Set a goal.
3) Energy is positive if you're a battery. Energy doesn't mean much if you're a raving lunatic.
I (Swear on the St. James Bible) submitted cards and didn't have to pay unless the GAI grades crossed over. I am not a dealer.
Know I have about a 50/50 ratio in PSA cards to GAI cards. I'm speaking from my experience. I'm not a liar. I think my posts speak for that. I simply give commentary on what I see. GAI had an open window to really make inroads in this grading game. They failed due to laziness, fudging return dates and abandoning any grading scale requirements they set up. It's true Bake and Drinkwater graded most the cards during the early days at PSA. This puts them in a very odd position. If they change the grade on a card they've evaluated, they've admitted they got it wrong the first time. They have the luxury of doing this with crossovers because they are not PSA anymore. PSA must regrade cards raw.
Here's the point that no one seems to understand - Grading companies don't care about us at all. They are a business. We are simple folk bitten by the baseball card bug. They do what's best for them. The best examples of many cards do not sit in the highest grade slab. Dealers wil always submit larger groups of cards. We can't compete. Also, with PSA, missing a grade means resubs which means extra dollars. Grading is a losing proposition. Thus, whatever company you choose, you are at a disadvantage.
We are all on the same side. By keeping us at war, we are unable to concentrate our attention in the proper direction. Poor grades can keep you up at night. I guarantee you the graders don't lose a minute of sleep. They are 9 to 5 employees. We're all fighting the same fight. If we took the time to ask the right questions of each of the grading companies and built a compendium of our misgraded cards, we'd have a chance. However, angry accusations and self-serving posts bolstering your grading company of choice only polarizes us. If you want to organzie and pursue the truth, let's figure out a system. Otherwise, let's save ourselves the energy we waste on these posts. We are a million different parties with a million different agendas. Until we unite, there's no hope of getting to the bottom of all the b.s.. And, believe me, there's different types of bs going on at PSA, GAI and SGC.
You won't hear from me on this topic anymore. If you want to begin to recognize we are brothers and not enemies, I'll help in any way I can.
Let me know,
S.
To say grading companies do not care about the customer is missing the point imo. If they didn't care about the customer, then that would affect their ultimate success as a business. People like Joe Orlando, Steve Rocchi, Mike Baker, and Sean Skeffington are passionate about the hobby---they are not mindless robot, money-making machines. I think they love the hobby and their jobs as much as we like to collect.
Does that mean they're not going to pi-s us off sometimes? Sure they will. It comes with the territory in a business-to-customer relationship sometimes--everything isn't always going to be lovey-dovey.
Silver Coins
e-bay ID: grilloj39
e-mail: grilloj39@gmail.com
Sure, there's a wide spread epidemic of GAI cards with AIDS (alignment inflection disorder syndrome - the problem of cards falling out of the internal gasket), but advocacy groups have claimed that this epidemic was the result of a conspiracy perpetuated by Ronald Reagan back in the early '80s.
But lest I digress from the original topic, NO! GAI cards are not for dealers only. Collectors and dealers alike are coming out of the closet and openly embracing the GAI hobby lifestyle of graded cards, graded wax packs and graded rack packs and so on.
This coming Monday, or maybe the next Monday, or perhaps the Monday after that, Steve Rocchi and Mike Baker will be leading the GAI Pride Parade and collectors and dealers alike will be marching through the streets of Santa Ana, California to celebrate the GAI hobby lifestyle!
<< <i>This coming this Monday >>
I doubt it will be this Monday with the holiday.
aconte
I am inspired to be more tolerant
GAI is OK
botr
<< <i>You don't know how to spell, indent paragraphs or use punctuation and you are calling other people dumb? Whatever you say, genius. >>
lol..
BTW - I think the GAI flip looks good..
<< <i>George's past GA auctions show no indication that there's much of a demand from the basic collecting public for a GA card. A few difficult cards are going to sell to PSA collectors looking to win the crossover lottery, but most of the stuff is too cheap and easy to find already in PSA to have to mess with an expensive crossover. A few desperate sellers can scream all they want about how up and coming GA is and how they are just as good as PSA, but the more you know how powerful the PSA market is the less you need to start reinventing the way people have decided they want to collect. Nobody is arguing that GA is incapable of grading a card but who gives a hoot about it after they do. How long can you afford to run low$ GA auctions that don't sell. PSA cards pay bills. >>
I hope it never comes to the point where no one wants to grade and sell GAI cards (or SGC for that matter). The day when PSA becomes the only player in town is the day when all of us can expect to pay 20.00 a card for 45 service period. I hope those days never come.
Competition is what is keeping grading fees moderately reasonable at this point. Be careful of what you wish for, it may come true.
Silver Coins
e-bay ID: grilloj39
e-mail: grilloj39@gmail.com
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<< <i>There is allegations/conjecture that the purchaser of the 1952 Topps wax box is unhappy with his purchase, and has called to question the validity/merits of the graded packs. >>
It would be a shame if the purchaser of the 1952 Topps box is not happy with his puchase. He spent a boatload of money.....$208,739.95, which is equivalent to $8,697.50 per pack, for the darn thing.
I know and have spoken with the purchaser of the wax box, and he is very happy with the purchase.
H. Walker >>
chew/ h. walker
Why is your friend selling the wax box so soon if he is very happy with the purhcase?
koby
<< <i>Steve Rocchi and Mike Baker will be leading the GAI Pride Parade >>
I'm not GAI personally, but some of my best friends are.
Consider how most of us search. Except for exceptionally difficult cards, we're not going to search for a common by name raw on eBay, and we're not likely to search GAI if we're looking for a card to fill in a spot in a PSA set. On a Mantle, Mays, etc., we're far more likely to search by player name and year, and bring up both raw and graded cards.
Furthermore, the relative price of commons and stars to the grading fee gives very little incentive to engage in crossovers/crackouts of commons with even most 8s from the 1960s on. Star cards are a different story.
Nick
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<< <i>There is allegations/conjecture that the purchaser of the 1952 Topps wax box is unhappy with his purchase, and has called to question the validity/merits of the graded packs. >>
It would be a shame if the purchaser of the 1952 Topps box is not happy with his puchase. He spent a boatload of money.....$208,739.95, which is equivalent to $8,697.50 per pack, for the darn thing.
I know and have spoken with the purchaser of the wax box, and he is very happy with the purchase.
H. Walker >>
chew/ h. walker
Why is your friend selling the wax box so soon if he is very happy with the purhcase?
koby >>
Not that it is any of our concern, I am going to tell you so it stops the rumors and it will not affect the future of the packs. The purchaser had an unexpected serious illness in his family. He is going to incur major medical expenses. He felt it was better to sell some packs than to take $$ from his kids education funds. Do you blame him? I hope this answers your question.
Thanks H. Walker
Is it true that there is some kind of litigation surrounding these packs? Either against GAI or against Mastro or someone? Or is that a rumor also?
koby
<< <i>chew,
Is it true that there is some kind of litigation surrounding these packs? Either against GAI or against Mastro or someone? Or is that a rumor also?
koby >>
I can not swear to this but to my knowledge there is no litigation.
I do know from what I am told there will be another incredible lot from the same source in the next Mastro auction, and these packs were just graded by GAI.
So I doubt there is any litigation, since you have the same grading company, the same auction house and the same consigner all involved again.
Thanks H. Walker
<< <i>I do know from what I am told there will be another incredible lot from the same source in the next Mastro auction, and these packs were just graded by GAI.
>>
Same source? You mean the same boy who socked away some vintage packs that his father had purchased for him?
<< <i>
<< <i>I do know from what I am told there will be another incredible lot from the same source in the next Mastro auction, and these packs were just graded by GAI.
>>
Same source? You mean the same boy who socked away some vintage packs that his father had purchased for him? >>
I have no idea who it is. Just that it is the same consigner.
H. Walker