Did PCGS screw up. This looks proof to me

partagas · June 18, 2004 8:05AM

PCGS graded this MS 63. Anyone else think its a proof?

1876 obv

1876 rev

coinguy89 · June 18, 2004 8:09AM

Not sure, I would lean towards some sort of proof-like type of thing.

tjkillian · June 18, 2004 8:17AM

Stars are way too incomplete for me to believe it is a proof. Seated coins often come with mirror fields.

My vote would be a business strike.

Tom

astrorat · June 18, 2004 8:17AM

Very, very nice quarter. I think PCGS is correct. Look at the stars on the obverse. Stars 1-3 and 11-13 are not struck fully as is the case with proofs of this era. You likely have a very early strike from a freshy prepared set of business strike dies. Prooflike 76-P quarters are fairly common.

Another feature to examine is whether or not the rim is "square" or there is a wire rim. Both features are common features of proof issues. If the rim is rounded, then that is an indication of the coin being a business strike.

Lane

Placid · June 18, 2004 8:18AM

Need better pictures.

Proof69Eagles · June 18, 2004 8:21AM

It is at least Proof Like no doubt!!!!

UncleWiggly · June 18, 2004 8:26AM

I'm too new to know. But, did you send it in with the belief that it was a proof?

coinguy1 · June 18, 2004 8:29AM

Partagas, your coin, while apparently prooflike in appearance, is likely correctly attributed as a business strike.

With a quick look, I found this image of a Proof striking - look how much sharper the stars are on this one (especially those at the lower right) than on yours - that's not always a clincher, but it's a good, quick starting point:

Russ · June 18, 2004 8:33AM

I sold this one a while back:

Even as an AU coin, the fields were still very prooflike on it. I wasn't sure, so I posted it here and got the help of the forum braintrust.

Russ, NCNE

Cratylus · June 18, 2004 9:06AM

If PCGS didn't grade it as MS63PL, that means they want you to spend some more money with them by resubmitting it several times. After you've done that, they will grade it correctly.

coinguy1 · June 18, 2004 9:10AM

Cratylus, PCGS does not use the PL designation on coins of that type. There is nothing to indicate they are looking to have the coin re-submitted multiple times.

Cratylus · June 18, 2004 9:15AM

<< <i>Cratylus, PCGS does not use the PL designation on coins of that type. There is nothing to indicate they are looking to have the coin re-submitted multiple times. >>

My mistake! I withdraw my snide remarks! I assumed... and that's where I messed up. I've definitely seen some PL Seated coins so I'm shocked that they wouldn't have that designation.

CarlWohlforth · June 18, 2004 9:15AM

I really like those proof like seated coins! That one is neat.

coinguy1 · June 18, 2004 9:17AM

There are, indeed, PL Seated Liberty and Barber coins (among other types) out there. NGC uses the PL designation on such, but PCGS does not.

partagas · June 18, 2004 9:49AM

Thank you for the knowledge. I have now learned something new. Yes it is a neat coin. Thank you all for your help.

tmot99 · June 18, 2004 10:00AM

I have an 1880 seated quarter MS66 that looks very much proof-like. I just got my new Nikon D70 so I will work on the photo getting posted in the next day or so.

lathmach · June 18, 2004 10:41AM

Business strike.
The date is located too far left to be a proof.
The proof coinguy posted is Briggs 9-J.

Ray

coinkat · June 18, 2004 10:44AM

Partagas:

Great looking coin...mostlikely a PL and I like the quote on your signature line. My wife even laughed and thought it was funny...

MFH · June 18, 2004 10:52AM

I wish all MS coins were that pretty

Wolf359 · June 18, 2004 11:30AM

At first glance it looks like a proof to me. However, a second look and I see rounded rims and some marks where there should be none unless the coin was mishandled. So, probably not.

Fantastic clear mirrors though.

Elcontador · June 18, 2004 12:07PM

Many late dated business strike MS 60 + Seated coins are proof-like; they are not scarce. Agree with the other comments re the obverse stars.

EVillageProwler · June 18, 2004 12:11PM

A large percentage of late-date (late '70's to the '80's) Seated 25c and 50c MS pieces are annoyingly difficult to differentiate from true proofs. Aside from the sharp strike and the squared rims, look also for the mirrored finish in between the shield lines. If that area is frosty, then you may well have a PL MS piece.

EVP

ms70 · June 18, 2004 12:32PM

It very likely could be Mint State. This coin, though the pic really doesn't show it, is VERY proof-like. I would have been convinced it
was a proof if it wasn't from Carson City!

ms70 · June 18, 2004 12:36PM

BTW- Forgot to tell you the above coin is AU58.

partagas · June 18, 2004 12:48PM

Nice coin, it just blows my mind. I can't believe how proof like these coins can be with no designation. I would think PCGS could generate some nice cash calling these proof like cameos. Mine has nice cameo on both the front and back. The coin just looks spectacular in person. The reverse is just perfect, unfortunately the obverse has some hits in the fields. I think I am going to have to find more of these proof like quarters, they are just too gorgeous not to own more then one.

Did PCGS screw up. This looks proof to me

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