I thought this was the U.S. Coin Forum ? ............

ss350camaro · June 3, 2004 1:43AM

........ or is it now the "Bash eBay Sellers" Forum?

I for one am getting a little tired of the seemingly endless posts about this guy and that guy selling on eBay.

Shouldn't these type of posts be on the BST or Open Forum ?

(ok, with that said i'm sure i'll get more than my share of flames and juvinile responses about why i didn't post this message somewhere else................ flame on)

BurritoGrande · June 3, 2004 1:45AM

Yes, it is now the "Bash eBay Sellers" forum. Didn't you get the memo?

mgoodm3 · June 3, 2004 1:46AM

Are you bashing the bashers?

Here's a pic to keep it on-topic.

Russ · June 3, 2004 1:48AM

This thread should be posted somewhere else.

Russ, NCNE

haletj · June 3, 2004 1:48AM

Maybe bashing sellers for outright fraud is good, for the less knowledgable may learn how to avoid being frauded. Personally I am sick of all the ebay fraud and wish it'd go away.

Steve27 · June 3, 2004 1:49AM

Actually, this thread belongs on the open forum.

ss350camaro · June 3, 2004 1:50AM

<< This thread should be posted somewhere else. >>

Thanks for your response Cameron

ss350camaro · June 3, 2004 1:51AM

<< Actually, this thread belongs on the open forum. >>

With "U.S. Coin Forum" in the title ? I doubt it.

LanLord · June 3, 2004 1:52AM

My response to this thread belongs in the open forum

Russ · June 3, 2004 1:54AM

My response to Lanlord's response belongs in the open forum.

Russ, NCNE

Placid · June 3, 2004 1:54AM

I am so tired of seeing car pictures used as icons.
I thought this was the U.S. coin forum.

Wake up in a bad mood today?

razorface1027 · June 3, 2004 1:57AM

If 65% of the posters/people of this forum didn't get most of their coins from eBay, this would be a pretty DEAD forum.

mrearlygold · June 3, 2004 1:59AM

<< I am so tired of seeing car pictures used as icons.
I thought this was the U.S. coin forum.

I was wondering about that too.

This thread belongs in the open forum

TP

ss350camaro · June 3, 2004 2:00AM

<< If 65% of the posters/people of this forum didn't get most of their coins from eBay, this would be a pretty DEAD forum >>

? And that has what to do with eBay seller bashing ?

BillJones · June 3, 2004 2:00AM

<< ........ or is it now the "Bash eBay Sellers" Forum?

I for one am getting a little tired of the seemingly endless posts about this guy and that guy selling on eBay.

Shouldn't these type of posts be on the BST or Open Forum ?

(ok, with that said i'm sure i'll get more than my share of flames and juvinile responses about why i didn't post this message somewhere else................ flame on) >>

If Ebay did a better of job of policing their sellers, there would be no need to bash. If you can show me an instance where an honest Ebay seller has wrongly accused of crooked behavior or posting misinfomation, I'll be glad to defend him.

ss350camaro · June 3, 2004 2:01AM

<< I am so tired of seeing car pictures used as icons. >>

And your icon is a coin from what country ?

razorface1027 · June 3, 2004 2:03AM

? And that has what to do with eBay seller bashing ?

What else would you expect? One must cover the A$$eS of others. I thought that's what this forum was all about. Blatant bashing for the simple pleasure of someone needing something to do is one thing, doing it to forewarn people of scams is another.

1956Quarter · June 3, 2004 2:03AM

The E-Bay posts I've seen recently all contain auctions about US COINS, (Trade Dollars, Morgans etc), and problems with their sellers. This fits into the forum selection and serves a usefull purpose in alerting us to fraudulent sellers and other such trash important to all of us wheither we collect US coins or tokens or foreign stuff..... So they ARE on topic and in the correct forum.

poorguy · June 3, 2004 2:08AM

I think camaro has a point, but also do all of the people bashing sellers.

Camaro's point is well defined in that this forum should be more about enjoying the hobby and asking questions regarding different dates/issues/ect. Showing off your type sets, and getting valuable information from veteran collectors and dealers about dipping, toning, and the such, as well as make some friends in the hobby.

On the other hand, the posters bashing the eBay sellers are looking out for the newbies in this hobby so that they don't get screwed. Getting a bad deal is a very good way to loose interest in a great hobby such as numismatics. Therefore, there are some of us here that devote time to hunting down bad sellers and informing the masses of their misdoings, ultimately keeping the soul of this hobby protected.

Everyone needs to face that even tightly knit groups such as numismatic enthusiasts will break into different niches, serving their roles in keeping this hobby alive and strong. I don't see any problem with camaros question or stance.

-BK

Placid · June 3, 2004 2:10AM

<< 

<< I am so tired of seeing car pictures used as icons. >>

And your icon is a coin from what country ? >>

Its was drawn in the U.S. and it's not a car.

I didn't start a thread complaining about things that don't belong on the U.S. coin forum.
If I see a thread with a title I don't have interest in I don't open it.
If I open a thread and don't like the subject I move on.

If you think a thread is OT pm a mod and if they agree they will move it.

wjd283 · June 3, 2004 2:13AM

SS,smoetimes the bashing is called for.If smoebody is ripping people off,it is good to have knowledgeable
people to forwarn the not so knowledgeable.IMHO.

K6AZ · June 3, 2004 2:14AM

Please tell me who is holding a gun to your head and making you read posts about eBay sellers.

100proof1957 · June 3, 2004 2:23AM

Walter Breen is dead ?

ss350camaro · June 3, 2004 2:24AM

<< Its was drawn in the U.S. and it's not a car.

<< 

boy, that makes a lot of sense

. Mine was proudly made in the U.S. and makes a lot more sense than whatever that drawing is.

<< I didn't start a thread complaining about things that don't belong on the U.S. coin forum.

<< 

No, you didn't. But you did respond with the typical juvinile response i expected someone would.

<< If I see a thread with a title I don't have interest in I don't open it.
If I open a thread and don't like the subject I move on.

<< 

Agree completely. I do the same thing. BUT, I also have just as much right as anyone else to post my opinions.

<< If you think a thread is OT pm a mod and if they agree they will move it.

<< 

I think we have enough brown nosers lurking to take care of that.

BurritoGrande · June 3, 2004 2:26AM

ss350camaro · June 3, 2004 2:34AM

<< Please tell me who is holding a gun to your head and making you read posts about eBay sellers. >>

I think part of my intention, and i know i didn't state it very well (if at all), is that i thought this U.S. Coin Forum was for discussion and debate of Coins and Numismatic related issues ? When these truely informational posts come along once in a while they get quickly buried into history by the constant eBay bashing posts. Sure, they hang around the first page for a short time while the knowledgable people post their replys, but they vanish all too quickly in my opinion.

This thread link is what got me kinda worked up about this issue. The seller made a mistake. It was immediately posted here and the "pile on" began. I read it, simply sent a quick email to the seller, and got an answer. It was an honest mistake and he quickly rectified it.

Sometimes the "mob mentality" just gets to me. I needed to vent my "opinions" about it.

razorface1027 · June 3, 2004 2:35AM

Agree completely. I do the same thing. BUT, I also have just as much right as anyone else to post my opinions.

I absolutely AGREE.

BurritoGrande · June 3, 2004 2:39AM

<< It was an honest mistake and he quickly rectified it. >>

Funny, I bet the seller never accidentally calls PCGS graded coins PCC. Of course, we'll never know because his feedback is private

MSD61 · June 3, 2004 2:53AM

Even oldbies can get taken and I am glad such things are posted here. No one knows everything about evey coin struck and it's varieties or the different slabs out there. There are sellers on Ebay just waiting for those whom are not imformed. Yes, this is the U.S. coin forum and while many of us our here to learn and exchange knowledge on U.S. coins isn't exposing a potential bad seller an exchange of information as well???

Granted the item was pulled, but how many items are not and are bought by those who wished some one did "bash" the seller?

Edited to add that Russ pretty much knows all

ss350camaro · June 3, 2004 3:02AM

<< Edited to add that Russ pretty much knows all >>

Probably true. He's explained and clearified quite a few things, directly or indirectly, to me that i didn't know.

LAWMAN · June 3, 2004 3:04AM

I appreciate all well-meaning warnings from all the people on here who are smarter and/or more experienced than I in avoiding trouble.

nOoBiEeE · June 3, 2004 3:16AM

<< My response to Lanlord's response belongs in the open forum.

Russ, NCNE >>

This response to Russ's response responding to Landlord's response should be in the open forum...

Russ · June 3, 2004 3:19AM

<< Edited to add that Russ pretty much knows all >>

As I grow older I find that I know more and more about less and less so, by the time I die, I will know everything about nothing.

PS: Flattery will not pry loose any cameo Accented Hairs.

Russ, NCNE

LucyBop · June 3, 2004 3:48AM

<< Please tell me who is holding a gun to your head and making you read posts about eBay sellers. >>

ditto...

this forum does a good job of alerting buyers to potential bad sellers....

a very good benefit of this forum...

you don't have to open any thread that you don't want to...

Cherwood · June 3, 2004 3:58AM

<< Even oldbies can get taken and I am glad such things are posted here. No one knows everything about evey coin struck and it's varieties or the different slabs out there. There are sellers on Ebay just waiting for those whom are not imformed. Yes, this is the U.S. coin forum and while many of us our here to learn and exchange knowledge on U.S. coins isn't exposing a potential bad seller an exchange of information as well???

Granted the item was pulled, but how many items are not and are bought by those who wished some one did "bash" the seller?

Edited to add that Russ pretty much knows all

>>

SarasotaFrank · June 3, 2004 4:09AM

part of the value of this forum is knowing about scammers on ebay.

An excellent example being last weeks thread where TDN won a bid on a trade dollar HE knew was fake. He bid on it in order to keeping anyone else getting burned on it for $10K, then he neged the seller.

He saw in the coin what 99% of buyers might not have regarding a way to tell a fake for that particular year. His post was educational and informative and he did a good deed.

Without what you refer to as "ebay bashing" in that thread, someone, maybe someone in this forum would be light about $10K.

TDN did someone a huge favor, and then did the rest of the forum a favor by showing the evidence of the fake.

I'll read threads like that all day long to know about sellers to avoid, and tell tale subtle signs in coins to avoid.

RotatedRainbows · June 3, 2004 4:15AM

<< ........ or is it now the "Bash eBay Sellers" Forum?

I for one am getting a little tired of the seemingly endless posts about this guy and that guy selling on eBay.

Shouldn't these type of posts be on the BST or Open Forum ?

(ok, with that said i'm sure i'll get more than my share of flames and juvinile responses about why i didn't post this message somewhere else................ flame on) >>

It has not been the real US coin forum for about the last two years, you really missed the best this board had to offer back right after it switched from the original OLD OLD style message boards.

Shamika · June 3, 2004 4:36AM

Also keep in mind that this Forum has become a sort of social club. Kind of a virtual "Cheers".

I used to dislike it, but now it's kind of appealing.

On that note, I miss the likes of NumisEd.

BillJones · June 3, 2004 4:50AM

Years ago I spotted a fake 1860 Abraham Lincoln politcal medalet on Ebay. I knew that it was bad because I had ripped off on one exactly like in a private tready transaction. Yes, WE ALL make mistakes.

I emailed the seller and told him the piece was bad and why. His response was that he had a very liberal return policy.

Excuse me? A liberal return policy is suffcient to cover for the fact that you are selling a fake item? By the time the buyer finds out he's been had, the auction will have ended moneths or years earlier, and the return period will have long since been over. This is the kind of garbage to goes on Ebay, and it seems that experienced collectors are the only ones who can do something about it. Ebay sure doesn't.

66Tbird · June 3, 2004 4:51AM

Forum cycle,,,,,, next week it will something else. It is how we take the pulse of this hobby.

LucyBop · June 3, 2004 4:53AM

<< Forum cycle,,,,,, next week it will something else. It is how we take the pulse of this hobby.

>>

Hi Daddy-o....

ss350camaro · June 3, 2004 5:01AM

<< 
Without what you refer to as "ebay bashing" in that thread, someone, maybe someone in this forum would be light about $10K. >>

I hope someone on this forum (or anywhere for that matter) wouldn't spend 10k on something they knew absolutely nothing about ?!?

Look............. My intent in this thread was NOT to try to defend anyone. Just to inquire as to why it is necessary to puff up about what someone perceives as a fraud or scam, and then blast it all over this coin forum.
I would see it as much more beneficial for a simple alert and link to the possibility, and let the rest of the forum members click into it and decide for themselves. Name calling and a linch mob mentality doesn't do anyone any good and seems to inspire a lot of foolish posts.

IMHO

LucyBop · June 3, 2004 5:10AM

<< inspire a lot of foolish posts >>

guess they all can't be as brilliant as your posts...

SarasotaFrank · June 3, 2004 5:10AM

<< I hope someone on this forum (or anywhere for that matter) wouldn't spend 10k on something they knew absolutely nothing about ?!?

IMHO

>>

and there in lies the problem. While I don't know exactly how subtle the giveaway was in the trade dollar, from reading the post, I think you would have to be pretty smart to find it as it was obscure, yet TDN picked it out of a group of bad photos, and did everyone here a service by not only alerting to the scam, but showing how you can tell. If I remember correctly, it was the positioning of a berry on a branch below the talons - seemed damned obscure to me. I think you could know a good deal more than "absolutely nothing" about trade dollars and not know about that fine detail.

nankraut · June 3, 2004 5:12AM

Oh..hello there. I dozed off for a moment. Anyway, Can't we all just get along? Guess not.

ss350camaro · June 3, 2004 5:24AM

<< guess they all can't be as brilliant as your posts... >>

Lucy,

I get the feeling you don't have anything constructive to add so you just choose to pick and peck at bits and pieces ?

...............

I wouldn't say my posts are "brilliant" by any means, but at least i try offer some form of constructive thought. My knowledge is limited in respect to coins, that's why i joined up here.

LucyBop · June 3, 2004 5:27AM

<< 

<< guess they all can't be as brilliant as your posts... >>

Lucy,

I get the feeling you don't have anything constructive to add so you just choose to pick and peck at bits and pieces ?

...............

I wouldn't say my posts are "brilliant" by any means, but at least i try offer some form of constructive thought. My knowledge is limited in respect to coins, that's why i joined up here. >>

same way I could have choose to ignore this thread, you can do the same with all the ebay threads......
I for one, am grateful for them.....

ss350camaro · June 3, 2004 6:21AM

Well, ..... I tried. I think most of you missed my point, and then some others took the opportunity to highjack the thread.

Oh well..........Made it to 46 responses before Lucy shut me up

Doug

LucyBop · June 3, 2004 6:24AM

smooch!

nice Camaro!

ss350camaro · June 3, 2004 6:27AM

<< smooch! >>

Back at cha'

<< nice Camaro! >>

Thanks

She's "the other woman"

Coins101 · June 3, 2004 6:38AM

Baseball, Apple Pie and Chevrolet!

I thought this was the U.S. Coin Forum ? ............

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