What Is Going On With This Auction?

moosesr · May 31, 2004 12:21PM

Doesn't even look like the coin is in a slab

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Peaceman · May 31, 2004 12:25PM

It's not a PCGS slab either......

BurritoGrande · May 31, 2004 12:28PM

Baloney

Peetie · May 31, 2004 12:30PM

The only thing they got right on the label is the coin #7419. The .68 would mean that it is graded MS68. The cert # comes up:

Date, mintmark: 1882-S
Denomination: S$1
Variety: N/A
Country: USA
Grade: MS63

kamehameha00 · May 31, 2004 12:34PM

Someone should report this guy for fraud

lloydmincy · May 31, 2004 12:34PM

what a joke. I cant believe the scams out there. Buy from those that have over 1000 feedbacks. then you know they are probably pretty reliable and professional. What kills me is the guy actually spent some time I am sure to print the false label, and for what?? A measly 30 bucks???

Sequitur · May 31, 2004 12:35PM

Tradedollar, time for you to gum up the works on this nonsense:

Update: see post below concerning fraud progression.

kamehameha00 · May 31, 2004 12:36PM

And look at there circulated "proof", one of very few made, 1951 Franklin half dollar in PF-67.

Bikingnut · May 31, 2004 12:39PM

I just sent this guy an email to let hime know that PCGS doesn't take kindly to conterfeit PCGS material. I wonder if I'll get a reply?

Shamika · May 31, 2004 12:43PM

Did you happen to see the username?

"legalassistmom" implies a female paralegal. If so, you'd think she'd know that using a bogus PCGS label is illegal.

airplanenut · May 31, 2004 12:46PM

Mike Sherman knows about it now

Shamika · May 31, 2004 12:48PM

I also sent her/him an email suggesting she/he end the auction ASAP. We will see.

Bikingnut · May 31, 2004 1:01PM

Okay,

I got this reply very quickly:

Sorry but PCGS did appraise it and no that is not the original tag or cover
because they are in the safe where I keep the coins and did not want to use
them since they are hard to film through so you go ahead and have them contacted
because the numbers are valid and they will see that. People like you are the
reason ebay is loosing money and more people are reporting harassment like
you.

People like me are the reason ebay is loosing money!

Peetie · May 31, 2004 1:05PM

The picture has now been changed.

Shamika · May 31, 2004 1:09PM

This was her reply:

"I suggest you mind your own business since it is certified and the actual case is cracked and I will be glad for you to contact them since I am a legal assistant I will file suit against you for harassment."

So now what should I do???

Bikingnut · May 31, 2004 1:14PM

I sent her a reply, and kindly explained what the.68 meant and the fact that the certification number states that it's something else, and I also let her know that it's not people like me that are causing ebay to lose money, but the scammers that ebay refuses to do anything about. Shamika, you should remind her that as a paralegal, she should know better.

Shamika · May 31, 2004 1:26PM

Here is my reply:

"As a paralegal, you should know better. This is a bogus PCGS label. Anyone can go to http://www.pcgs.com/verify.chtml and confirm the authenticity of a PCGS number. PCGS does not recognize this serial number and it is clearly a counterfeit.

Heck, the first part of the number (7419.68) doesn't even match the grade. Isn't what you are doing considered fraudulent? Then again, how would I know. I'm just a stupid high schooler."

Stay tuned.

Shamika · May 31, 2004 1:29PM

Here is her reply:

"THEN YOU SHOULD REALLY SHUT THE F_CK UP"

PCGS wont' let me type the U.

Shamika · May 31, 2004 1:31PM

Here is my reply:

"Please keep it coming. The U.S.Coin Forum at PCGS is having a great laugh over your little auction."

Sequitur · May 31, 2004 1:32PM

My exchange was much more statesmanlike.

My email to "legalassistmom":

That is not a PCGS-graded coin, it is not a proper slab and the purported certification numbers do not match your auction description. In other words, it's a fake.

"Mom's" response:

No it is not and I am not going to be slandered by your stupidity.

My reply:

The certification label is fake and your auction already has been reported to PCGS and Ebay. Don't take my word for it -- check the certification number online yourself -- it's irrefutable proof your auction is bogus.

One more thing, slander is spoken, libel is written, moron. And since truth is an absolute defense, I assure you I feel much more comfortable about my email than you should about your scam auction.

Edited to add:

"Mom's" surresponse:

THAT'S FINE YOU DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO BUT I WILL TOO

I hope he/she purchases a new keyboard.

Bochiman · May 31, 2004 1:35PM

<< <i>I sent her a reply, and kindly explained what the.68 meant and the fact that the certification number states that it's something else, >>

I don't get it....they are obviously doing something wrong...why give them clues on how to make a better scam next time?
I applaud you guys for trying to alert, then stop, this person, but at the point it is obvious they are a scammer, why tell them HOW you know?

I always like to keep that part to myself so they keep making the same mistakes.....no desire to educate crooks who want to remain crooked.

Shamika · May 31, 2004 1:42PM

Here is her reply:

"You are now being sued for harassment as well as your little forum and friends. So tell mommy and daddy to get ready to cough up the dough since you are only a minor child. I bet they will love your ass."

ldhair · May 31, 2004 1:42PM

I ask if it was really PCGS graded and here is the reply.

<< <i>Yes it was graded and when my husband and I divorced he cracked the holder so I have now put it in this so that it does not get abused by being moved around in the safe >>

Shamika · May 31, 2004 1:53PM

She changed the picture and the coin description. Score one for the good guys.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

Sequitur · May 31, 2004 1:55PM

"You are now being sued for harassment as well as your little forum and friends. So tell mommy and daddy to get ready to cough up the dough since you are only a minor child. I bet they will love your ass."

I can't wait. F-ing hilarious.

Shamika · May 31, 2004 1:57PM

Here was her last reply:

"Yes, because as I have already explained to you in case you are too dumb to read. The coin was appraised and when I divorced my x husband he smacked the damn case and I tried to read the numbers off the case but as you are so rudely to point out that maybe I did not read the numbers correctly since the damn case is smashed and the label is obviously ruined but I did the best I could and if you do not like that then go to hell. Stop emailing me or I will definitely have a good harassment suit."

I responded with:

"Thank you for correcting this auction. Good night."

Sequitur · May 31, 2004 1:59PM

Holy cow. Look at the label now, hot off the laser printer (I saved both auction pictures for all our sakes, and if he/she pulls them, I'll put them up on my webspace):

Shamika · May 31, 2004 2:05PM

Her reply:

"SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS AND STOP EMAILING ME. I AM NOW PULLING YOUR INFO AND I WILL BE SUING YOU AND YOUR PARENTS."

Shamika · May 31, 2004 2:08PM

My reply:

" How about I just buy the coin and we'll forget the whole thing."

Sequitur · May 31, 2004 2:10PM

Email her back, let her know all auction photos have been archived, and you'd be happy to oblige with a countersuit.

Bikingnut · May 31, 2004 2:10PM

airplanenut · May 31, 2004 2:10PM

I hope she lists more! I want to email her next time!

Shamika · May 31, 2004 2:11PM

Interesting. My offer to buy her coin came back undelivered with the following message attached:

"legalassistmom IS NOT ACCEPTING MAIL FROM THIS SENDER"

Bikingnut · May 31, 2004 2:15PM

I see it's now a private auction.

Shamika · May 31, 2004 2:17PM

Question: Can the parents of a minor be sued for what the minor does?

ldhair · May 31, 2004 2:20PM

yes

Shamika · May 31, 2004 2:21PM

Learn something new everyday.

Bikingnut · May 31, 2004 2:28PM

Yes, but I wouldn't worry about it. She did a lot of name calling in the second email I got from her and threatened me as she said " I am licensed so I can file myself." I on the other hand I was very polite and didn't make any accusations. My reply was "No problem, and that I would think as a legal assistant, you would know better." She replied to this one as well and changed her tune considerably, and was actually somewhat cordial. All in all, a good bit of fun on an otherwise slow evening.

Shamika · May 31, 2004 2:31PM

So what did she say???

Bikingnut · May 31, 2004 2:32PM

She said it was all perfectly legal because the coin was graded by PCGS, and to ask any lawyer.

RYK · May 31, 2004 2:37PM

You are now being sued for harassment as well as your little forum and friends.

And your little dog, Toto, too, A-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!

Nice work uncovering a thinly-veiled fraud. And as Russ says, it's always the liars who are quick to threaten the lawsuits.

BigE · May 31, 2004 2:43PM

Shamika, the next time she tells you to shove it up your ass tell her you can't because you already have a couple of fake Trade dollars up there

------------BigE

Shamika · May 31, 2004 2:51PM

Well, I've uncovered her name and address so we'll see if anything funny happens.

Besides, how is this harrasment? All we did was point our her fraudulent auction. Where's the harm in that?

MrDan · May 31, 2004 2:55PM

<< <i>I hope she lists more! I want to email her next time!

>>

Here ya go!
Linky poo

Sequitur · May 31, 2004 2:59PM

Auction text: OUR AUCTION WILL BEGIN WITH $40.00 AND NO RESERVE.

Legalassistmom's starting bid: $30.00

GOOD LUCK AND HAPPY BIDDING AND PLEASE CHECK OUT OUR OTHER COIN!!

You won't have to ask twice, dear.

BigE · May 31, 2004 3:00PM

Looks to me like that Frankie is an AU circulation strike, I hope she sticks to selling shoes---------------BigE

Shamika · May 31, 2004 3:03PM

<< <i>I hope she sticks to selling shoes >>

Yea, I noticed that too.

Sequitur · May 31, 2004 3:03PM

Woops, first auction picture has metamorphosed yet again, this time cropping out that fake lable completely:

DominusDeus · May 31, 2004 3:04PM

hahaha, this is hilarious. I can't wait to read more on this.

Shamika · May 31, 2004 3:05PM

She sure has been busy. That's FIVE revisions she's made to that auction tonight.

Shamika · May 31, 2004 3:07PM

Also, she changed the starting bid from $30 to $20.

Why doesn't she just quit?

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