Does this PCGS label look funny to you MS 70?

poorguy · May 17, 2004 5:18AM

Linky

Isn't there alot of information missing from this label? WTF is it white?
Something doesn't look right to me. For starters it's MS70 in PCGS slab. Or is it?

Here is a PCGS label I found that looks correct to me. The one in question is missing much of the information that this one contains. There is no series listed, no coin # or bar code.

nOoBiEeE · May 17, 2004 5:22AM

Shoot, sorry for the double post, see below..

nOoBiEeE · May 17, 2004 5:24AM

Here is another with more info then the one you posted from Ebay... Linky Looks like someone photoshopped part of the info out. Why, I don't know but seems odd. The "whiteness" seems to be from a poor scan or color adjustment in photoshop. Ohh yeah, as far as MS70, I have seen a few on Ebay.

kieferscoins · May 17, 2004 5:25AM

For a short while they had no series numbers or coin # on the slab. The barcode didn't appear on the front until Feb of 2002. I think they photosjopped out the slab # so no one would steal it.

Cameron Kiefer

Steve27 · May 17, 2004 5:27AM

Either the seller doesn't want someone to steal the cert number, or he's selling one, just not that one. In either case, the label has been altered via software.

Numismanic · May 17, 2004 5:27AM

poorguy,

Sometimes sellers cover up the serial number on the coin so others can't use it in their registry sets.

rottnrog · May 17, 2004 5:27AM

Notice that the seller says "all sales are final" right off the bat!!!

PCBUM · May 17, 2004 5:28AM

<Sometimes sellers cover up the serial number on the coin so others can't use it in their registry sets.>

poorguy · May 17, 2004 5:29AM

Look at the label and compare it with the coin.

label: Super-Bad contrasting photoslop job.
coin: normal contrast.

They couldn't have been from same trip to the scanner.

With that much contrast having to be done to make a blue label white, it would have completely washed out the coin. The coin does not seem affected by the photoshopping. It looks as if someone washed out only the label so they could paste text from another label onto it. I would guess they left off the bar code and the series and coin # to deter someone from looking into it and finding out it was a fake. Knowing photoshop very well myself, Even the worst scanner would not have a scan that out of whack. The coin just seems like it is part of another picture than that of the slab it is in.

JrGMan2004 · May 17, 2004 5:30AM

May have scanned it in Black and White... not the first seller I've seen do this...

kieferscoins · May 17, 2004 5:32AM

<< I would guess they left off the bar code and the series and coin # to deter someone from looking into it and finding out it was a fake >>

Hello! We are saying it could be a slab where PCGS did NOT put the series and coin numbers, barcode etc on them. I sold one like this a few weeks ago.

Cameron Kiefer

poorguy · May 17, 2004 5:34AM

Cameron, I was writing the post while you were posting, I didn't read yours until after I posted that comment. It could have very well been a slab that didn't have the barcode but that doesn't explain the overall difference of appearance in the coin comparing to the slab it was supposedly scanned in. It is possible to contrast everything in a picture but the coin but there is no logical reason to.

JrGMan2004 · May 17, 2004 5:36AM

Ahem... again... perhaps he did the scan in black and white or grayscale? Cuts down on file sizes...

poorguy · May 17, 2004 5:46AM

JrGMan2004,

#1. If said seller scanned the coin in Black and White, there would be no transition between the two extremes of black and white. There would only be either black or white. Now I see that the coin is a greyish color so that rules out scanning in black and white.

#2. If said seller scanned the coin in greyscale, which is a very good possibility, The scan would come out like this:

I used an example from another ebay auction.
This looks NOTHING like how the seller scanned the coin. The coin looks as if it was photoshopped onto a badly contrasted image of another slab, because the contrast levels of the coin are definitely not close to the extreme contrast levels of the slab area and the label.

Now to get this type of image, you would have to select everything but the coin and increase the contrast level to a ridiculous level and leave the level of contrast of the coin the same.

kieferscoins · May 17, 2004 5:49AM

Why don't you just ask the guy whats up with the slab? How he took his pic etc? He would know. He is the seller and if he lies then you know to stay away.

Cameron Kiefer

poorguy · May 17, 2004 5:51AM

Yeah, I am probably just overreacting. I just wanted to see what comments and opinions you guys had about it.

kieferscoins · May 17, 2004 5:56AM

Yep, you are searching to hard and bordering on calling the guy a scammer before you even contact him. That would be my first thing I'd do before slamming an auction on the internet.

Cameron kiefer

nOoBiEeE · May 17, 2004 5:58AM

<< 

<< I would guess they left off the bar code and the series and coin # to deter someone from looking into it and finding out it was a fake >>

Hello! We are saying it could be a slab where PCGS did NOT put the series and coin numbers, barcode etc on them. I sold one like this a few weeks ago.

Cameron Kiefer >>

Hello! Who's we, your the only one who said it... Geez.

Numismanic · May 17, 2004 6:00AM

poorguy,

It's possible that the picture is from a digital camera image and not a scan. They may have used poor lighting resulting in a dark image of the coin. By going into image properties and tweaking the contrast and gamma that could make the coin appear brighter and cause the holder around the coin to "wash out".

poorguy · May 17, 2004 6:05AM

I am sorry about that. I didn't mean to make anybody look like a scammer. I just wanted opinions on what you guys think about this particular image. The guy has outstanding feedback and there is no reason to make him out to be a scammer.

I figured some of you would know enough about imaging coins with a scanner that you could explain how the contrast could be so different between the label and the coin.

I emailed the seller and I will post his reply here. Again, I am sorry if I made anyone out to be a scammer. I do carry strong opinions some times and I'm not going to change that about myself.

poorguy · May 17, 2004 6:10AM

Numismanic,

If that is the case, it is a really severe case.

poorguy · May 17, 2004 6:18AM

Leaving from work now. Just letting ya know I won't respond to any comments for about 5 hours.

nOoBiEeE · May 17, 2004 6:31AM

<< I am sorry about that. I didn't mean to make anybody look like a scammer. I just wanted opinions on what you guys think about this particular image. The guy has outstanding feedback and there is no reason to make him out to be a scammer.

I figured some of you would know enough about imaging coins with a scanner that you could explain how the contrast could be so different between the label and the coin.

I emailed the seller and I will post his reply here. Again, I am sorry if I made anyone out to be a scammer. I do carry strong opinions some times and I'm not going to change that about myself. >>

I didn't see anywhere where you called anyone a scammer, you just asked a question. Nor did you slam his auction as Cameron said, I think Cameron may have had a bad day or something.

kieferscoins · May 17, 2004 6:35AM

I said:

<< Yep, you are searching to hard and bordering on calling the guy a scammer before you even contact him >>

Bordering on. I didn't say he directly called him a scammer.

nOoBiEeE · May 17, 2004 6:49AM

<< I said:

<< Yep, you are searching to hard and bordering on calling the guy a scammer before you even contact him >>

Bordering on. I didn't say he directly called him a scammer. >>

Yup, I know but poorguy took it differently, thus his apology.

poorguy · May 17, 2004 7:15AM

This is the response I got when I emailed the seller about the contrasting difference between the coin and the labels in his images.

Sorry my scanner can not do a better job of portraying the coins.It seems to have a tendency to make the coins appear to be significantly darker in the photos than the actual coins.As you can see my from my feedback the customers have been very satisifed with items and my guess is that you will be to. Thank You for your purchase.

Apparently, the scanner the guy uses makes the coins appear very dark and he has to adjust the contrast and brightness of the scanned images to show the coin correctly. I guess that is why it is better to use cameras to get images of coins. I do still wonder why the scanner he uses makes the coin look so dark as to adjust the brightness and contrast so drastically. I'm gonna ask him/her what brand of scanner he is using. I will post his reply on this board.

Conder101 · May 17, 2004 10:59AM

The Modern commemoratives have NEVER had coin or series numbers. That's why those are missing. and he ha removed the serial number to provent registry set thieves. Other than the odd color which is probably from bad editing this is a perfectly normal PCGS 7 slab used from Jan 1999 to Feb 2002. (This slab style was used for bullion coins and all commemoratives fro Jan 1999 to mid 2001. Then the Classic commemorative switched to PCGS 8 slabs with coin and series numbers. The bullion and modern commems stayed with PCGS 7 until Feb 2002 when the barcode moved from the back to the front creating PCGS 12.)

Does this PCGS label look funny to you MS 70?

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