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What keeps a cam from being a dcam?

krazyace5krazyace5 Posts: 177
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    FC57CoinsFC57Coins Posts: 9,140 ✭
    lack of dcamedness image
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    MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭


    << <i>lack of dcamedness >>



    I just can't follow that answer!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    You know, Frank, that doesn't seem to be a very detailed explanation. image

    krazyace5,

    A big part of the deep cameo designation is mirror depth. A DCAM, in addition to strong contrast, should have smooth glassy mirrors with no interruptions by mint frost in any quadrant of the surfaces.

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    FC57CoinsFC57Coins Posts: 9,140 ✭
    Anything to get Marty and Russ going image
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    DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    I liked your answer Frank. The others are just jealous they didn't think of such a simple yet elegant way to say it. image
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    UnimentalUnimental Posts: 244
    Doesn't it have something to do with the amount of $100's wrapped around the submission? image
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    coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    Krazyace5,

    The first coin below is an ultra/deep cameo and the second one is a cameo.

    Look at the degree of frost on the devices and contrast between the frosted devices and the fields and you should see a big difference. For the record, I purposely picked a particularly amazing ultra/deep cameo example to make the point with and 1898 is a great year for that feature - the first coin is about as amazing as you will ever see frost and contrast-wise for its type and it looks in person, as it does in the images.

    Ultra/deep cameo:

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    Cameo:



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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Man, that NGC Morgan is at the top of the HOLY CRAP meter!

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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Boy, Mark, the pic of that first coin almost makes me want to buy a Morgan...but not quite.
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    oldcameoproofsguyoldcameoproofsguy Posts: 3,174 ✭
    I have seen coins that would have gone DCAM but they were too darkly toned to get the grade. My guess is that the toning affected the contrast enough that the coin only went CAM. That's not to say that I haven't seen some fairly dark coins get a DCAM before, I owned a Barber Quarter DCAM in a PCGS holder that was pretty dark. A darkly toned coin would have to have DCAM+ contrast with super deep mirrors to make the grade.
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    coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    That 1898 brought a staggering $33,000 and change or roughly four times what a nice cameo would bring and considerably more than a typical ultra/deep cameo would realize. But, as you can see, it has a VERY special look to it.
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    BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Mark, since my birthday is coming up soon, could you buy me that DC PR Dollar as a present?

    If thats not possible, I gues some jelly donuts will have to do.
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    jimtrejimtre Posts: 197




    Man, that NGC Morgan is at the top of the HOLY CRAP meter!

    Russ, NCNE


    Russ, I think you described it perfectly!

    Jim

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    CherwoodCherwood Posts: 1,073 ✭


    << <i>Man, that NGC Morgan is at the top of the HOLY CRAP meter!

    Russ, NCNE


    Russ, I think you described it perfectly!

    Jim >>



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    AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,291 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I liked your answer Frank. The others are just jealous they didn't think of such a simple yet elegant way to say it. image >>



    The name Frank and the word elegant in the same post! I think Hell just froze!image
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    AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,291 ✭✭✭
    <<What keeps a cam from being a dcam?>>

    Bad mojo!
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    LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    WOW! St. Feldini....


    That NGC Morgan is a knockout!
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    spy88spy88 Posts: 764 ✭✭
    <<What keeps a cam from being a dcam?>>

    First, what Frank said---secondly, the grader.
    Everything starts and everything stops at precisely the right time for precisely the right reason.
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    jonesyjonesy Posts: 5,031
    Wish I had an extra $33,000 burning a hole in my pockets!! image
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    joeyukjoeyuk Posts: 3,282
    Russ had a recent thread showing degrees low end cam. to high end dcam.
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    JusthavingfunJusthavingfun Posts: 835 ✭
    Thank you, Mark. Those two Morgans were a dramatic demonstration of the two. And the difference is why the deep cameos often command double or more the price of the regular cameos.

    Enjoy,


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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Here's a comparison that is closer to the realm of we mere mortals:

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