Old Japanese coin question
hamiltonjh
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This is a Japanese 4 mon type 2 (I think) 11 waves from 1769 (possibly). I'm still learning about Japanese coins, so I am probably off on the date. It could be 1800's.
I got this in a lot of 170 old Japanese coins from......you know where....and I have started going thru them to try to ID them. Even got one of those old Oval coins which is really cool. I'll try to add that picture just for fun soon.
I noticed this one might have some obvious doubling or rotated die or some definition of error on the back. I'm not sure how Japanese coins were minted back then, but see the pictures and if you can give any comment, I'd appreciate it. Also, if anyone knows about how common or uncommon it is to have old Japanese coins with doubling or rotated die or whatever, please include what information you know about that too.
I got this in a lot of 170 old Japanese coins from......you know where....and I have started going thru them to try to ID them. Even got one of those old Oval coins which is really cool. I'll try to add that picture just for fun soon.
I noticed this one might have some obvious doubling or rotated die or some definition of error on the back. I'm not sure how Japanese coins were minted back then, but see the pictures and if you can give any comment, I'd appreciate it. Also, if anyone knows about how common or uncommon it is to have old Japanese coins with doubling or rotated die or whatever, please include what information you know about that too.
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I don't know.
And, I am so jealous that you have a bag of these puppies to look through!
I thought they were cast also. I know they did cast coins for a long time, and that would prevent, I would imagine, this "doubling". I'm very curious as to how this could happen and if it's common.
If it's counterfeit...it's an old counterfeit and not something done recently. the state of the coin tells me it's not new, and looking under my loop...I can see obverse "errors" too. Like the mold or die was pretty worn out. The characters are pretty sharp on the obverse...i should add that too.....
It might be the case that if the molds were opened prematurely while the metal was still soft and then closed again there might be some doubling this is purely my guess. I think there are those here who know about this than I do.
There are drawings showing the casting "tree" in the Jacobs & Vermeule Japanese Coinage book. The basic process involved carving "seed" coins, then making sand molds from the seeds, into which molten metal was poured.
Sumnom's suggestion of a prematurely opened mold makes a lot of sense to me.
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If the doubling were not caused by my theory, could there be another explanation?
I know this thread is 14 years old but it is interesting, no? TTT!