1798 $1 , Opinions?

ladyship · February 27, 2004 10:28AM

Like it?
Hate it?
Cleaned?
Grade?

nepbrs44 · February 27, 2004 10:29AM

Do you have a picture or URL??

airplanenut · February 27, 2004 10:39AM

I dont like the edge from 6:00-9:00... something doesn't seem right... to me

coinkat · February 27, 2004 10:47AM

definitely enhanced but then again, most have been at some point. With respect to grading, I would want to see it first because the scan makes it difficult.

ladyship · February 27, 2004 10:53AM

Thanks for your opinions,but,,,
full of mint luster,especially in hair and around stars,
the pic was off a scanner no enhancement,no sharpening,what you see is the coin,just much,much duller than in person.

coinlieutenant · February 27, 2004 11:10AM

Here is one for comparison...

John

K6AZ · February 27, 2004 11:11AM

Counterfeit.

Wondo · February 27, 2004 11:13AM

Don't like it - pass. Something doesn't look right.

coinkat · February 27, 2004 11:20AM

I am sorry but when I said enhanced, it was in reference to the coin being dipped or cleaned at some point. I still think it is attractive...original examples are tough. Grading a coin like this is not easy because from my perspective, there are many things to consider that a scan may not reveal. You indicated there is lustre around the hair and in protected areas around the stars. If I am wrong and the coin has original surfaces, no distracting hairlines or other problems, then a grade of EF45 is reasonable or even possibly AU50 if original lustre extends to other areas of the coin. Its a keeper.

ohbaby · February 27, 2004 11:30AM

Yeck! Dull lifeless.

The "o" in "of" looks funny as does the "8" in 1798.

Definitely cleaned as 99% of them.

A fake? Maybe.

zenny · February 27, 2004 11:34AM

obv. and rev. don't appear to me to be any known pairing.

Merc · February 27, 2004 11:36AM

No, it is real, but has been cleaned. It is the 1798 Bolender 9 also known as obverse 15(Bowers) It is the die state b (late die state). It has all the correct die cracks and characteristics for this die pairing. Yes, it is irregular. They were not struck in a collar. Counterfeits are perfectly round. Remember they were made using 1798 minting tech, so they are not perfect.

It is in great condition. If you don't mind it being cleaned, it is a nice coin to have in your collection.

zenny · February 27, 2004 11:53AM

you're correct, merc. i thought it was obv. 5, but it is 15 which makes the rev. correct.

coinkat · February 27, 2004 11:55AM

I have this feeling that this coin looks much better in person.

ladyship · February 27, 2004 12:03PM

She is a beauty,all I can say is this is the first early dollar I have seen that may go AU58,.

Merc · February 27, 2004 12:14PM

Yep, I know my early dollars thanks to the book by Reiver. It has great photographs of all the die varieties known.

ladyship · March 25, 2004 1:07AM

Update on grade,for all you doubters out there.
NGC grade AU 55, BB 121
I still think they were off a little, sure looks like an AU 58 to me.

kieferscoins · March 25, 2004 1:12AM

Nice AU coin. 55 and 58 are pretty close. It may get a 58 if you send it in again but if you aren't trying to sell, just keep it like that!

Cameron Kiefer

ealandg · March 25, 2004 1:12AM

This looks cleaned to me as well... However, I wouldn't hold it against it.

MacCoin · March 25, 2004 1:13AM

I like the old heraldic bust in any condition

mgoodm3 · March 25, 2004 1:30AM

As if there's anything such as a bad bust dollar? As long as it's real, it's OK.

dorkkarl · March 25, 2004 1:30AM

i would grade it au-55 details, but only value it as an au-50. it has that classic "soap & watered" look.

that said, the o-c strike adds significant interest. i don't like it for the grade, but i do like it for the interest factor

definitely genuine

K S

JadeRareCoin · March 25, 2004 1:34AM

Hmmm. It looks EF-40 to me. Nice coin though.

Nysoto · March 25, 2004 1:41AM

I like the interesting off center strike. The centers of the coin are weakly struck, no breast feathers, eagles head is weak and UNUM is barely legible. If you are looking for a type coin, with patience you can find a similar graded bust dollar that has a much better strike. It does not look original. A very nice coin for the die variety collector, but not as nice for a type coin.

Draped bust is my favorite US design, I collect halves by die variety, they are very impressive and fascinating coins to collect and study.

Russ · March 25, 2004 1:43AM

What do you guys think this one grades?

Russ, NCNE

Stuart · March 25, 2004 1:44AM

Russ: Yours is a replica

kieferscoins · March 25, 2004 1:51AM

Thats a "coyote" counterfeit Russ but you already know that.

Cameron Kiefer

Russ · March 25, 2004 1:55AM

It's fake? Are you guys sure? Crap! I got ripped off!

Russ, NCNE

dorkkarl · March 25, 2004 1:56AM

report it to the png!

K S

cardinal · March 25, 2004 1:57AM

ladyship,

At AU55, your coin would fall into the condition census of the 1798 B-9, BB-121 die variety. It is a somewhat scarce variety (R-3), that is particularly scarce in higher grades.

Specimens of this variety tend to come weakly struck, especially in the centers of both sides. For comparisons on the grade, here is the PCGS-graded AU55 example of the variety I used to own:

While the image didn't capture it, that coin had virtually full luster, but the typical soft strike. I sold that coin when I located this sharply-struck and fully lustrous PCGS-graded AU58 example (currently thought to be the finest known of the variety):

From your images, your coin appears to me to look like what I expect to see in NGC-AU55 holders. Even if the coin displays booming luster in person, the grading services rarely issue the grade of "58" to a lightly circulated specimen exhibiting noticeable strike weakness.

Stuart · March 25, 2004 1:57AM

Russ: Did you pay over face value for the replica ??

cardinal · March 25, 2004 2:00AM

Thats a "coyote" counterfeit Russ but you already know that.

Really???? Are you sure it's a fake. I'm certain I've seen that very same coin (or maybe one just like it

) on Ebay described as the 1799 Irregular Date 13 Stars as Gem BU! Who would have guessed it wasn't real!

ladyship · March 25, 2004 2:00AM

Cardinal,
Your AU58 coin is just beautiful. Wish mine had a strike like yours. But as I said in my previous posts mine looks better in person than the scans show.

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